Solara is out for real

[srt4b]

nothing redeemable about this song what so ever.

This may actually hurt ticket sales.

[bright_doom]

Originally Posted by fluxequalsrad

That is a truly wretched run of lead singles. Funny how much they would stick out like a sore thumb on a playlist, would not play these at a party.

I’d actually take Run2Me over Solara any day of the week. Both are abysmal.

Can you imagine a Smashing Pumpkins Greatest Hits/Singles re-release in 2018... how embarrassing.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

https://www.laut.de/News/Smashing-Pu...-06-2018-14800

...yep >>>

"Solala" wäre der weitaus stimmigere Titel für den mauen Comeback-Song gewesen.

[brothahi4L]

[quote=pavementtune;4441258]hey amoergosum & corgan's bluff, can I get the over-under how this will increase the interest from Euro promoters?

should be working just fine, this is quite amusing.

https://www.laut.de/News/Smashing-Pu...-06-2018-14800






Lol so cynical.billy should stop to bedrabble his past by releasing horrible dongs like this. Laut.de is making fun of the shitty song

[Sonic Johnny]

Does anybody else find it insanely fucking funny that now that James is back in the band one guitar track is way way louder than the other one?

[Cool As Ice Cream]

IF YOURE NOT A REAL FAN THEN WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE???

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Sp are dead. How can you choose such bullshit as a 1st single??

"The Smashing Pumpkins Are Dead" - This guy, fucking May 2018

[Sonic Johnny]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

IF YOURE NOT A REAL FAN THEN WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE???

Mate this place did more to turn me on Billy than maybe even Billy himself. I registered christmas day 04 and by the time TFE dropped I was dunking on Corgan.

[SPLATTER]

sounds worse with repeated listens

the drum production is atrocious

[Gollum]

I am actually shocked that they decided to make Zeitgiest 2.

Of all the eras they could have stolen from, they chose their failed 2007 comeback album? WTF. Jimmy hated Zeitgeist. The fans hated Zeitgeist. I thought even Billy hated Zeitgeist now.

Maybe the most depressing thing is: think about how much the Pumpkins evolved musically between 1988 and 1998. Now it’s been 11 years since Zeitgeist and they literally sound exactly the same. So sad.

[Bomb The Moon]

doesn't this band have three guitarists now? where are all the interesting guitar layers (which the Pumpkins are known for)?

[amoergosum]

Both Billy and Jimmy haven't tweeted about Solara yet.


Billy's latest tweet:

Thrilled to announce the debut of my exclusive Spotify playlist: WPC’S MUSIC MACHINE. For years, I’ve endeavored to start my own web-based radio station, so I guess you could say this a small start. So please subscribe and...https://t.co/Ds3CsDq6Q2 https://t.co/K2tD6nbR8A

— WPC (@Billy) 26. März 2018

Jimmy's latest tweet:

Count Dooku wants cheese! Maurice does too but… https://t.co/FGNAXWhqgV

— Jimmy Chamberlin (@jccomplex) 7. Juni 2018

[incubator]

HOWARD WAS RIGHT

[themadcaplaughs]

Just listened to it twice on Spotify. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. It sounds exactly like what it is: a tossed aside song from those 2014/2015 sessions. As others have stated, the obvious comparison points would be "Starz" and "FOL," but even those songs had more interesting riffs. This sounds like the same ilk of "Anti-Hero" with its cheesy palm muting. Hell, I even like "Anti-Hero," but cannot get behind this.

I typically avoid trying to talk production since I am not a producer, but even a lay person like me can see how the production diminishes this song. Not to say it would have been a great song, but done right, it could have at least been an enjoyable - if not completely forgettable - song, but Rubin's production truly strips it of any life. Zeitgiest had some obvious flaws production wise - namely the vocals being too loud and the instruments to dry - but you could still at least get a sense of depth and interplay between the instruments.

Here, the guitar sounds so brittle and all-encompassing in the mix that overpowers anything that may be going on in the background. This might mark the first time in the band's history that production actually detracts from Jimmy's drumming. Taken alone, the drum track actually sounds really impressive, but combined with the guitar it just sounds fatiguing. People praise Rubin, but I really do not think he can still make a good rock record.

More than anything, I am most disappointed by the fact that it has no Smashing Pumpkins "vibe." I would have been willing to accept a good but not great song if it at least seemed to rekindle some of the magic of old Smashing Pumpkins. The song "To Who Knows Where" from James' last record would be a perfect example. It definitely isn't a great song, but seems enjoyable enough and gout some love because it sounded more like Smashing Pumpkins than anything Corgan had done from 2007 on. Hell, songs on Teargarden, Oceania, and Monuments sound more Pumpkins than this song. Even songs like "Doomsday Clock" or "Come On (Let's Go)" sound like high art compared to this.

[jparker800]

I'm listening to Solara now. I'm really liking it. So relieved there is no mention of "lover" or love being strange.

Can't wait to hear the rest of the EP!

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

The song "To Who Knows Where" from James' last record would be a perfect example. It definitely isn't a great song, but seems enjoyable enough and gout some love because it sounded more like Smashing Pumpkins than anything Corgan had done from 2007 on.

...so much better than Solara!

[fluxequalsrad]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

More than anything, I am most disappointed by the fact that it has no Smashing Pumpkins "vibe." I would have been willing to accept a good but not great song if it at least seemed to rekindle some of the magic of old Smashing Pumpkins. The song "To Who Knows Where" from James' last record would be a perfect example. It definitely isn't a great song, but seems enjoyable enough and gout some love because it sounded more like Smashing Pumpkins than anything Corgan had done from 2007 on.

***. "To Who Knows Where" is a good song with pumpkins vibes. Billy hasn't produced one note of music with a hint of longing since 2007, maybe earlier. It's sad.

[incubator]

Main disappointment is the drums. We all know Billy can't sing for shit or write good stuff anymore but I was hoping for some good drums. They're lame. Jimmy used to be musical and appropriate on SP stuff, this sounds like an impression of M BYRNE,

T LEE was a lot better than this on MTAE. Compare this to Anti Hero, T LEE kills it

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

IF YOURE NOT A REAL FAN THEN WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE???

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT

WE NEED TO GET ALL THESE WHINERS OFF THE BOARD

ROCK WAS ALMOST DEAD AND THEN SOLARA SAVED IT

[swagmunch]

You know that Billy doesn't manage that Twitter account. Billy only personally uses Instagram.

[slayed23]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

That doesnt justify that the song is boring piece of shit.
9 out of 10 people do not like it.
Some of you guys alwys talking about the production. Wtf. A bad song is a bad song. Listen to any fuckn adore demo- its 1000 times better than this shit. Billy became an embarrassing person who cant write or record a good song

I would say 9 out of 10 people on here do not like it. Including me.

On the official youtube page, easily 50% of the comments like the song.

We have to be honest with both ourselves and other people that might be reading this site. Using hyperbole doesn't do anyone any good at all.

[themadcaplaughs]

Originally Posted by incubator

Main disappointment is the drums. We all know Billy can't sing for shit or write good stuff anymore but I was hoping for some good drums. They're lame. Jimmy used to be musical and appropriate on SP stuff, this sounds like an impression of M BYRNE,

T LEE was a lot better than this on MTAE. Compare this to Anti Hero, T LEE kills it

This. Say what you will about Howard, but Monuments to an Elegy sounded more "Pumpkins" than this new song. The fact that it sounded as good as it did is a testament to Howard Willing given the material he had to work with.

[incubator]

Originally Posted by slayed23

On the official youtube page, easily 50% of the comments like the song.

Those people either don't know any better, are literally retarded or are joking around..

like

Yayyyyy!!!! 🤘🤘🤘❤️❤️❤️. Billys voice is incredible . Jimmy beating those drums. James strumming along. It's a great time to be alive. Thanks guys!!!!

[eviltimeban]

I just listened to it again, and it's really not that bad. In fact, it's head and shoulders above anything on MTAE, and most of Zeitgeist. Certainly beats nearly all of TBK, and while Oceania is it's own thing it's certainly on a par with things like Quasar or Glissandra.

We need to hear the other songs to put this into context - if there is a dreamy, Hummer-like slow song, or an acoustic / orchestral one, then we'll know what they were trying to do with Solara (probably, the straight forward rock one).

Like, if all you had to base MCIS on was "Zero", then you'd probably be limiting your expectations somewhat.

So the production is rubbish. The vocals are way better than MTAE or Ogilala suggested. There's no solo, sure, but would that really have made any difference?

(I don't want to be known as "the only guy who likes Solara", I'm just coming at it from that perspective).

[incubator]

Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

This. Say what you will about Howard, but Monuments to an Elegy sounded more "Pumpkins" than this new song. The fact that it sounded as good as it did is a testament to Howard Willing given the material he had to work with.

It's crazy. At the time I thought Howard Willing was holding Billy back turns out he was holding Billy back from doing anything too stupid

[amoergosum]

https://andyderer.files.wordpress.co...?w=1400&h=9999

[Rider]

Originally Posted by srt4b

nothing redeemable about this song what so ever.

This may actually hurt ticket sales.

Well he could just keep the one part and do a kick ass Joan Jett cover.

[emilem]

if billy wasnt such a moron he would do what van halen did back in 2012 when they reunited with david lee roth. there was even a similar bassist related drama. anyway - they just rerecorded outtakes from early days. casual fans had no idea, die hard fans were kinda pissy but also happy they spared them the emberassment of trying to recapture their youth in ther 60s. but no. solara. a monuments outtake noone wanted. great.

[amoergosum]

I still believe that D'arcy would have been the key to make this work.

She was hungry to be part of the band again, wrote songs, would have probably stopped Billy to record tracks like Solara ("...no one had better musical discernment in our band than she").

They should have started with a small tour a la Arising...then proceed from there.

[Oklahoma Sexual]

i've listened three times. i feel exactly how i felt about zeitgeist. i want to like it, but the sound is off. it's not thick like early pumpkins. it feels one dimensional.

seems like billy is balancing a tongue n cheek happy vibe (shiny and oh so bright, solara, gay artwork), with essentially meaningless lyrics, and his perpetual, unaddressed, mid-life crisis. nothing is resonating, as is what happened with zeitgeist.

so while others will like this, others will despise, i'm left feeling close to nothing at all. the song does not connect at an emotional level.