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08-18-2009, 07:54 AM | #1 |
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Zeitgeist > Siamese Dream, Gish
Here’s my claim about Zeitgeist: Better than Siamese Dream or Gish.
Here’s my bold follow-up: Almost any musicologist would agree with my viewpoint. (i.e. if we look at the actual compositions… the novelty of the harmonies, the skillful use of counterpoint, the way the songs take a theme and develop it, or take two themes and integrate them, etc.) If we look past little sticking points like whether a certain B-side should have made the cut, or whether the vocals are mixed a little too loud, I think it’s clear that Zietgeist shows a world-class composer on top of his game. Why did I compare Siamese Dream unfavorably? I think Siamese Dream is a sort of “early Zeitgeist” - it’s simpler in general (i.e. the song structures, the fact that “Soma” is only three chords + a middle 8 riff). Sure, some songs like “Geek USA” are masterpieces, but Zeitgeist shows a similar (if more subtly expressed) ability to take themes and live with them, to really develop them. Most of the songs on the album border on being through-composed. Another song that strikes me as a characteristic “early work” - “Silverfuck”. Sure, it’s long, but it’s repetitive and it takes a long time getting there. It’s a bit reliant on gimmicks like the spoken-word introduction or the reverse echo effect to hold one’s interest. Something “poppy” on Zeitgeist like “That’s the Way” achieves just as many breakthrough moments in far less time - i.e. it is the work of a more mature writer (not a “tired old man”!) The songs on Gish are very knotty and take alot of strange turns, but I’m just not sold that the raw material of the harmonies, riffs, melody lines (and texture ideas) are as compelling as what is on Zeitgeist. |
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08-18-2009, 08:02 AM | #2 |
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thanks for letting us know. |
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08-18-2009, 08:10 AM | #3 |
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LOL.
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08-18-2009, 08:24 AM | #5 |
NOPE.
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No. Just...no.
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08-18-2009, 08:25 AM | #6 |
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Grant V = Mad
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08-18-2009, 09:26 AM | #7 |
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Zeitgeist is the best album ever recorded.
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08-18-2009, 09:51 AM | #8 |
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You know, I actually like zeitgeist, but I saw the title of the thread and immediately knew it was a cry for help. Call 1-800-DONT-JUMP.
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08-18-2009, 10:10 AM | #9 |
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quite preposterous.
so, i guess corgan professor'd all the music out of zeitgeist; glad he knew so little back in '93! |
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08-18-2009, 12:38 PM | #10 |
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I thought C_Wilson was banned?
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08-18-2009, 12:57 PM | #11 |
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I've read this somewhere else...
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08-18-2009, 12:57 PM | #12 |
Virgo
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A long time ago...
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08-18-2009, 12:57 PM | #13 |
Demi-God
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yeah, and my dick is bigger than john holmes'
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08-18-2009, 01:11 PM | #14 |
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false, but fun to pretend
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08-18-2009, 06:08 PM | #15 |
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...Oops, I Did It Again > Machina. Any Capitalist would agree with my viewpoint.
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08-18-2009, 06:18 PM | #16 |
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someone really needs to ban c_wilson's ip range
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08-18-2009, 06:22 PM | #17 |
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lol no, just no
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08-18-2009, 06:24 PM | #18 |
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haha "musicologist" what the shit
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08-18-2009, 10:58 PM | #19 |
Minion of Satan
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the only thing a musicologist would agree with is that zeitgeist is a digitally produced turd that underwhelms to the point of almost total disinterest
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08-18-2009, 11:02 PM | #20 | |
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There is something that Zeitgeist lacks and that is irreplaceable - emotion. I don't care if musically Corgan is some super composer now as opposed to then (which he obviously isn't). Not sure why I am responding to this obvious troll but whatever |
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08-18-2009, 11:06 PM | #21 |
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zeitgeist sux tho lol
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08-18-2009, 11:15 PM | #22 | |
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08-18-2009, 11:51 PM | #23 |
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I'm going to send this to fail blog.
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08-19-2009, 09:39 PM | #24 |
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You have got to be fucking kidding me with this bullshit. Are you actually telling me that the compositions on Zeitgeist are more complex and well thought out than the songs on Siamese Dream? Gish?
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08-19-2009, 11:31 PM | #25 |
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08-19-2009, 11:39 PM | #26 | |
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08-20-2009, 01:10 AM | #27 |
Socialphobic
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Dude I really can't help but read that original post in Patrick Bateman's voice.
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08-20-2009, 01:24 AM | #28 |
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fukkin Amish Rake Fighters
don't they have to make 17 posts before they can start threads? |
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08-20-2009, 01:32 AM | #29 |
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08-20-2009, 01:53 AM | #30 |
Socialphobic
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Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercial and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humour.
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