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Old 02-13-2006, 12:48 PM   #1
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Default We have a mission: Spreading MACHINA II (2 CDs) in lossless quality !

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Product : The Smashing Pumpkins - MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music (2 CDs)
Condition : New
Time left : 2 days 4 hours from now on
Current prize : US $4.99
(Regular prize : - )

Track Listing :
  • Disc 1 :
    1 Slow Dawn
    2 Vanity
    3 Satur 9
    4 Glass (alternate version)
    5 Soul Power
    6 Cash Car Star (version 1)
    7 Lucky 13
    8 Speed Kills (but beauty lives forever)
    9 If There Is A God (piano and voice)
    10 Try (version 1)
    11 Heavy Metal Machine (version 1 alternate mix)

    Disc 2 :
    1 Glass
    2 Cash Car Star
    3 Dross
    4 Real Love
    5 Go
    6 Let Me Give The World To You
    7 Innosense
    8 Home
    9 Blue Skies (version electrique)
    10 White Spider
    11 In My Body
    12 If There Is A God
    13 Le Deux Machina
    14 Atom Bomb
Description :

' MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music ' is an album by The
Smashing Pumpkins that was released for free on the Internet in 2000. It is
considered the band's sixth and final album, and is the sequel to ' MACHINA/
The Machines of God '. It consists of three EPs full of B-Sides and alternate
versions, and one LP being the actual album. Both MACHINA albums are
concept albums.


Virgin Records were unwilling to release MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of
Modern Music so close to the first (and commercially unsuccessful)
MACHINA/The Machines of God. As is evident by the title, the band was fed
up with Virgin. As a final farewell, and as a snub to the unsupportive label, it
was released independently. Only 25 total copies were made. The
vinyls were shipped via FedEx to several heavily active fans in the online
community, with instructions to immediately redistribute it among the fans.
Originally, the songs were intended to be the second disc of a double album
instead of two separate releases. Virgin declined a double album from the
band as previous Pumpkins album, Adore, had not fared well.

The Pumpkins performed a track from the album ("Cash Car Star") on The
Tonight Show with Jay Leno, which also ended up being the band's final
television appearance. The performance was a rarity as "Cash Car Star" was
not a single in any way, and MACHINA II was unavailable for purchase.

source : wiki.org


One of the lucky recipients, who can state that they are in possession of one
of these 25 original-LPs, planned to definitely take the reveived vinyl to a
studio or a friend with high-end equipment worthy of doing another high-quality
dump to DAT, which will then be burned to CD and then treed & traded from
there, to produce the highest possible quality recording. Well, and as you
see, this is the result. For me as a Smashing Pumpkins-fan it's almost a
kind of holy grail, a must-have, totally unique and I'm still stunned, that
this is not fiction, that there is a ' Machina II Friends and Enemies ' as a
double-cd-version available for purchase, but reality.
Check for amazon.com, check for eMule, Donkey, Napster, Shareazaa, soulseek,
type in every keyword, which could remotely lead you to this album, I
promise you, you will find nothing... but some crappy mp3s and
if you are lucky in 320k... not even mpc *sigh* .
So this is the great chance to finally revise what the recipients failed to
do - spreading a lossless version of ' Machina II Friends and Enemies ' on the i-net.
And the funny thing about it is, that it's totally okay to do so, as it even
was the instruction of the artists, who created this album without any label,
to spread it on the i-net. Conclusion: No copyright issues at all.
If you thought to be in possession of the Smashing Pumpkins-discography,
you were wrong, it is incomplete, because as already mentioned ' MACHINA II/
The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music ' is the sequel of ' MACHINA/The
Machines of God '. They belong together. Actually they are intended to be
one big concept album.
But now you have the chance to accomplish marvelousness by completing
the Smashing Pumpkins-discography in lossless quality, so please bring
yourself to purchase this unique album and share it.

source : spfc.org - The Smashing Pumpkins Fan Collaborative

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TECHNICAL INFORMATION :

[appreciated settings: ' the standard ', meaning creating the following
3 files - ape, cue, log - and put all 3 files in one rar ]


If you don't know how to make perfect 1:1 audio-cd-copies and don't have
a clue about eac, the lossless codecs and stuff, just look at this:
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_Audio_Copy - wiki-article about EAC
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey's_Audio - wiki-article about APE-codec
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec - wiki-article about FLAC-codec
  • http://www.audiohq.de/index.php?showtopic=47 - a very detailed, but german description
  • http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php - a forum in english for questions
  • http://users.pandora.be/satcp/tutorials.htm - a guide in english
  • http://www.monkeysaudio.com/ - There you can get the APE-codec
  • http://flac.sourceforge.net/ - and here a FLAC codec, if you want to do it
    with this codec for whatever reason. It makes no difference, both are lossless[/url] .
    Btw, this site also provides plug-ins for all music players like winamp, windows media
    player and so on, if necessary. But if you encode the 2 CDs in FLAC, please do
    it with compression level 5 (standard) or 8 .


And a summary of the guide, one mate of mine once created. It's short and
probably won't answer all your questions, but it sums up the essential. The most
important thing to do in EAC is, to adjust the settings that at the end of the log
file stands 'NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache'. Remember that ! If you find
that in log files you've created, you've done everything right, if not, it was useless.
And yes, EAC is freeware and it's known, that currently ONLY EAC is capably to
create 1:1 copies, other products state that they also can do that, but that's
bullshit.

summary:

EAC-> EAC options-> Extraction
[v] Fill up missing offset samples with silence
[ ] No use of null samples for CRC calculations
[v] Synchronize between tracks
[ ] Delete leading and trailing silent blocks
Error recovery quality: [High]

EAC-> EAC Options-> Tools
[v] Retrieve UPC/ISRC codes in CUE sheet generation (only if CD-drive supports gap Detection method A. Enabling this option is the only way to make an exact copy.)
[v] Use CD-Text information in CUE sheet generation
[v] Automatically write status report after extraction
[ ] Activate beginner mode, disable all advanced features

EAC-> EAC Options-> Normalize
[ ] Normalize
Never ever use this option. Keep it disabled by all means!

EAC-> EAC Options-> Interface[*] Installed external ASPI interface
- before setting up this option you should download Nero's WINASPI32.DLL and put it in EAC's folder

EAC-> Drive Options-> Extraction Method (!!!)
- insert in your CD drive any audio disc and press Detect Read Features button. If Accurate Stream was NO, then do not use this drive for audio extraction!
If Accurate Stream was detected (Yes), then set the following options this way (no matter what results were shown in Analyzing window):[*] Secure mode with following drive features:
[v] Drive has 'Accurate Stream' feature
[v] Drive caches audio data
[ ] Drive is capable of Retrieving C2 error information



EAC-> Drive Options-> Drive
Drive read command - insert any audio CD in your drive and press Autodetect read command now button

EAC-> Drive Options-> Offset / Speed
For most exact copy of audio CD it's recommended to use read sample offset correction. To understand the importance of offset correction please read The Truth About Offsets article. Read SatCP's comprehensive gude on how to determine offsets.[*] Use read sample offset correction [Optional]
Enter determined value, otherwise leave default settings (zero).

[v] Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out [Optional]
Use this only if your drive support this feature and if you've set custom (not default) value for read sample offset correction

[v] Allow speed reduction during extraction

EAC-> Drive Options-> Gap Detection
Gap/Index retrival method: [Detection method A]
- press OK to save settings and try to detect gaps of inserted audio CD: Action-> Detect Gaps (F4). If EAC seems to take forever to detect the gaps or the detection process locks up after a few tracks, the detection method you've choosen is not optimal for your drive. Try choosing Detection method B or C.
Detection accuracy: [Secure]

That's it, all set up and ready to go.

Based on Sergey Overkill's article.
This is a very brief How-To. For more comprehensive info please reter to The Coaster Factory's EAC tutorial.

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There is one thing to say from my site...

personally, I think it's very sad, that there is someone of us out there using
this gift of the smashing pumpkins to us for personal enrichment instead of
satisfying the smashing pumpkins wish to spread it on the i-net . And
unfortunally the buyer of that auction will probably be a collector acting as
egoistic as the seller and just keeps this album for himself instead of spreading
and sharing it and thus also doesn't pay attention on what the smashing
pumpkins intention was with that album. And this is why it's so important
that someone of us gets this album, just to prevent the sad course of the
time I sketched. Everybody of us would profit of that, if the buyer of that
auction will be one of us.
You may ask yourself why I do all this and don't buy it by my own:
This auction is not worldwide and I don't come from the US.
So I have no chance to take part of this auction .

Last edited by dawn : 02-13-2006 at 07:28 PM.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 01:09 PM   #2
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Wow I can't wait to see what happens to this thread by the time I get hime from work.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 01:10 PM   #3
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can you repost this in english please?

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 01:19 PM   #4
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can you repost this in english please?
I second that, my head hurts from trying to make sense of that
THANKS!

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 01:48 PM   #5
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Do you mean me with that ? If yes, please show a bit more understanding,
english is not my native language .

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 02:11 PM   #6
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Let's kill this person.
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Old 02-13-2006, 02:38 PM   #7
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why would you want to spread machina 2 in lossless when mp3s are smaller and easier to transfer!?

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 02:40 PM   #8
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Man, is it 2000 already?

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 03:06 PM   #9
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lol 5 stars

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:25 PM   #10
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N E 1 HAS THE RARE SP DOWNLOADZ?

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:32 PM   #11
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*hrhr* Thanks for the warm welcome, folks .

Quote:
Originally Posted by distance
why would you want to spread machina 2 in lossless when mp3s are smaller and easier to transfer!?
You are right, mp3s are smaller, but does that make them better ?
Once I was a mp3-advocate as well and furthermore very conservative and
sceptical. Changes were principally bad for me. I was full of prejudices against
every change. But for ripping my christmas present, which meant very much for me, I
decided to inform myself, because I want to achieve the best possible quality.
And what was that ? 320k, of course, what else ?
So I happened to find a forum for amateure and sound engineers, so
the place for persons, who deal with sound on another level then the gal next
door... a lot more professional. And there me was told, that ripping this nice
discography in 320k is a waste of time, if I want to achieve perfect quality.
I didn't believe them that 'something better than 320k ? No way, that's the
optimum ! ' . Nevertheless I gave it a try, because these people really knew
what they're talking about. I ripped one album in mp3 (320k) and one in FLAC.
And trust me, it WAS a difference, a great one.
After this comparision mp3s turned out to
  • NOT maintain the dynamic range of the original-CD
  • having a flat sound
  • an akustical loss in detail
  • it didn't happen often, but there were some gitches at some songs
But FLAC was just flawless and perfect. You didn't only heard the song, but
also FELT the song !
You all certainly know WinRAR, don't you ?
And lossless Codec's like APE, or FLAC practically are the 'WinRAR of music' .
It compresses the music to 50 % of the original size and it carries a great feature:
You can decompress the file and the result is the original file !
So once you have ripped your favourite album with FLAC or APE, you have the
exact album, every single tiny bit on this disc, as a digital version on your
computer ! And you'll greatly appreciate this fact once the years passes and
time left some hearable marks on your CD .
Nice to know and making lossless audio-compression even more credible:
Even music-labels change their gigantic music archives over to FLAC or APE !
Well, that's pretty revealing, isn't it ?
I deleted every mp3 on my computer and changed over to lossless audio-
compression as well. I just fed up with never having the guaranty of a
rip without gitches and having to accept less quality than an original-CD
provides. In the past I paranoidly listened to every second of the track to
discover possible gitches... you could never know... and sadly I even found some
! Nowadays I just lean back, have a look at the log-file, and normally read
something like
' Peak level 98.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC EE8FCF8E
Copy CRC EE8FCF8E <<< *
Copy OK '

this is a check sum to make sure that everything worked fine, if
the test and copy CRC is the same, the physical track on the original-CD and the
rip are identic and without any mistakes or differences


and then I know, everything is fine, there's nothing to be concerned.
Don't you want to enjoy MACHINA II the same way ?
Sure, it takes a lot more space, but hey, it's not the 90ies anymore, it's 2006 !
dsl-flatrates and huge HDDs are totally affordable and such equipment is not
luxury anymore ! I recently bought a 300 GB-HDD for 80 bucks and pay
50 bucks for a 2-mb- dsl-flatrate AND a telephone flatrate per month ! And compared to
other countries like japan this equipment is a third world-equipment !
So the size-issue doesn't really present a serious problem anymore... now less
than ever when one considers to rip Smashing Pumpkins-albums with APE or
FLAC .
In addition to that one lives once only ;D .

But honestly speaking I don't know why you think that mp3 is easier to
transfere. I mean, no matter with what program you rip, the first thing to do
is, to configure the settings. So why don't configure it for a lossless codec ?
Trust me, as soon as you know the true promise of lossless audio-compression
you don't want to miss it anymore and don't appreciate mp3 anymore at all.
So, do you want to really possess and enjoy ' MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies
of Modern Music ', or do you accept a kind of song sample/audio test, hm ?

Last edited by dawn : 02-13-2006 at 04:47 PM.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 04:48 PM   #12
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lol i wish i could add another 5 stars

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 05:00 PM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dawn
*hrhr* Thanks for the warm welcome, folks .



You are right, mp3s are smaller, but does that make them better ?
Once I was a mp3-advocate as well and furthermore very conservative and
sceptical. Changes were principally bad for me. I was full of prejudices against
every change. But for ripping my christmas present, which meant very much for me, I
decided to inform myself, because I want to achieve the best possible quality.
And what was that ? 320k, of course, what else ?
So I happened to find a forum for amateure and sound engineers, so
the place for persons, who deal with sound on another level then the gal next
door... a lot more professional. And there me was told, that ripping this nice
discography in 320k is a waste of time, if I want to achieve perfect quality.
I didn't believe them that 'something better than 320k ? No way, that's the
optimum ! ' . Nevertheless I gave it a try, because these people really knew
what they're talking about. I ripped one album in mp3 (320k) and one in FLAC.
And trust me, it WAS a difference, a great one.
After this comparision mp3s turned out to
  • NOT maintain the dynamic range of the original-CD
  • having a flat sound
  • an akustical loss in detail
  • it didn't happen often, but there were some gitches at some songs
But FLAC was just flawless and perfect. You didn't only heard the song, but
also FELT the song !
You all certainly know WinRAR, don't you ?
And lossless Codec's like APE, or FLAC practically are the 'WinRAR of music' .
It compresses the music to 50 % of the original size and it carries a great feature:
You can decompress the file and the result is the original file !
So once you have ripped your favourite album with FLAC or APE, you have the
exact album, every single tiny bit on this disc, as a digital version on your
computer ! And you'll greatly appreciate this fact once the years passes and
time left some hearable marks on your CD .
Nice to know and making lossless audio-compression even more credible:
Even music-labels change their gigantic music archives over to FLAC or APE !
Well, that's pretty revealing, isn't it ?
I deleted every mp3 on my computer and changed over to lossless audio-
compression as well. I just fed up with never having the guaranty of a
rip without gitches and having to accept less quality than an original-CD
provides. In the past I paranoidly listened to every second of the track to
discover possible gitches... you could never know... and sadly I even found some
! Nowadays I just lean back, have a look at the log-file, and normally read
something like
' Peak level 98.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC EE8FCF8E
Copy CRC EE8FCF8E <<< *
Copy OK '

this is a check sum to make sure that everything worked fine, if
the test and copy CRC is the same, the physical track on the original-CD and the
rip are identic and without any mistakes or differences


and then I know, everything is fine, there's nothing to be concerned.
Don't you want to enjoy MACHINA II the same way ?
Sure, it takes a lot more space, but hey, it's not the 90ies anymore, it's 2006 !
dsl-flatrates and huge HDDs are totally affordable and such equipment is not
luxury anymore ! I recently bought a 300 GB-HDD for 80 bucks and pay
50 bucks for a 2-mb- dsl-flatrate AND a telephone flatrate per month ! And compared to
other countries like japan this equipment is a third world-equipment !
So the size-issue doesn't really present a serious problem anymore... now less
than ever when one considers to rip Smashing Pumpkins-albums with APE or
FLAC .
In addition to that one lives once only ;D .

But honestly speaking I don't know why you think that mp3 is easier to
transfere. I mean, no matter with what program you rip, the first thing to do
is, to configure the settings. So why don't configure it for a lossless codec ?
Trust me, as soon as you know the true promise of lossless audio-compression
you don't want to miss it anymore and don't appreciate mp3 anymore at all.
So, do you want to really possess and enjoy ' MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies
of Modern Music ', or do you accept a kind of song sample/audio test, hm ?
let me simplify this whole thing:

STOP SELLING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FREE

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:40 PM   #14
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Quote:
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let me simplify this whole thing:

STOP SELLING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FREE
I dont know man.... this sounds like the real deal.... machina 2 sourced with these Flac things??? did I say that right? anyways if it's not sourced by mp3 i think ebay is the way to go... I don't see the problem making a little profit if this is the best sourced copy of this album.... I would prefer mp3 though since they are smaller in size and you can't really tell the difference.... I'm going to buy one of these!

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:50 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Zerospaced
I'm going to buy one of these!
I'm buying two. That makes me WAY more 1337 than yuo!!1!!11!

I gotz twice the rarz!

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 07:10 PM   #16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerospaced
I dont know man.... this sounds like the real deal.... machina 2 sourced with these Flac things??? did I say that right? anyways if it's not sourced by mp3 i think ebay is the way to go... I don't see the problem making a little profit if this is the best sourced copy of this album.... I would prefer mp3 though since they are smaller in size and you can't really tell the difference.... I'm going to buy one of these!
Awesome ! But pleeeease do me a favour and share - I mean, if you don't
want to use it, okay- , but pleeeeeease share a lossless version http://www.pcwelt.de/forum/images/smilies/anbet.gif .
If you want, I can help you with it, that's no problem .
If you don't feel like making it available for everyone for certain period, then
just upload it to me and I will do the rest .
And if you don't feel like doing the whole configuration, hey, no problem:
The configuration is saved in one certain, small file, which I can send to
you, so that you have the right configuration right of the start, when you
put it in the appropriate folder . *support whore*

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 07:18 PM   #17
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this guy has surely heard of the world wide web to know so much stuff about music. i guess we're not alone now.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 07:53 PM   #18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dawn
Awesome ! But pleeeease do me a favour and share - I mean, if you don't
want to use it, okay- , but pleeeeeease share a lossless version http://www.pcwelt.de/forum/images/smilies/anbet.gif .
If you want, I can help you with it, that's no problem .
If you don't feel like making it available for everyone for certain period, then
just upload it to me and I will do the rest .
And if you don't feel like doing the whole configuration, hey, no problem:
The configuration is saved in one certain, small file, which I can send to
you, so that you have the right configuration right of the start, when you
put it in the appropriate folder . *support whore*
what do you mean by congifuration??? I'm just going to rip the cd... i use burst mode and it comes out great, then I make 128bit mp3's then I convert them to wav and then convert the waves to 320bit mp3's.... i figure by converting them from 128 to wav and then to 320 i'm getting like the best sound possible x2. I'll just burn those 2 cd and trade them that way. is that cool??

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 08:48 PM   #19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerospaced
what do you mean by congifuration??? I'm just going to rip the cd... i use burst mode and it comes out great, then I make 128bit mp3's then I convert them to wav and then convert the waves to 320bit mp3's.... i figure by converting them from 128 to wav and then to 320 i'm getting like the best sound possible x2. I'll just burn those 2 cd and trade them that way. is that cool??
*sigh* Listen, I don't deal with audio-compression since yesterday, my friend.

Is it cool to trade burned CD-copies for spreading lossless versions of
'MACHINA II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music' ? NO

Why it ain't a good idea to release from a CD copy ?

1. Usually cheap CD's are used -> This means probably you'll get some glitches.

2. Even more, cheap CD's get damaged quickly after some time -> This will end up
in more glitches and also in having background noise.

3. When copying CD's people don't use to extract audio with secure mode (as you
can do with a proper software like EAC) -> This also means that glitches will
appear.

4. Usually a CD is copied On the fly -> This means that is almost sure that you will
get glitches.

5. Generally people tend to burn CD's at very high speed (in fact people usually
use the maximum speed available) -> This can easily end up with lots of glitches.

6.
Release from CD-copies is not allowed because it's not possible to be sure it is a
100% perfect copy. And even though the releaser can be really sure his copy is
as good as the original one, the users with whom he shares it have no way to
know if the copy is really ok or not.

Trust me, releasing from original source using EAC properly configured is the only
option. It ain't difficult:
  • just download the program
  • put the file I would send to you in the appropriate folder
  • load the pre-configured profile you obtained by me so
  • put the CD in it
  • rip it
  • that's it...

Then you would have a perfect 1:1-cd-copy of MACHINA II on your pc.
And also the last step, the sharing, is as easy as winking:
  • just put the file into the sharing folder of a p2p-programm
  • tell someone how you called the file
  • that's it...

Hey, you owe me something for the hint on this auction :P .
And as you see it's not such a big deal, just looked like it ...

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 09:54 PM   #20
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hmmm......you link to ebay, then pretend to do us a favour? = expect to be hassled

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:15 PM   #21
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Quote:
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Trust me, releasing from original source using EAC properly configured is the only
option. It ain't difficult:
  • just download the program
  • put the file I would send to you in the appropriate folder
  • load the pre-configured profile you obtained by me so
  • put the CD in it
  • rip it
  • that's it...

Then you would have a perfect 1:1-cd-copy of MACHINA II on your pc.
And also the last step, the sharing, is as easy as winking:
so.... if i load the eac profile that you send me then it wont have the correct cd burner offset information. so it really wouldnt be exact. also Machina 2 has been out for 6 years now??? you honestly think we don't have it, and probably better quality than this auction?

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:17 PM   #22
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i bought mine from Q101. i'm good to go.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:26 PM   #23
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yeah I prefer the virgin vinyl rips, however I have the q101, spifc also.

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:26 PM   #24
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hmmm......you link to ebay, then pretend to do us a favour? = expect to be hassled
Is that a kind of pubertal after-effect and rebell attitude ?
All I want is, to see this album in lossless quality available. If repeatedly
some guy out there buys this extremely rare double-cd-album and doesn't
has a clue what to do with it, so that it's available in lossless quality on the
i-net, all effort was for nothing. So it's just logical that I make sure that all
this takes a good course for everyone outside who is interested in this
album in perfect quality.
Btw only for people, who want this album in lossless quality, this auction is
interesting anyway, becaue actually the album is already available on the
i-net... but in a crappy quality, but hey, who don't hears the difference can
be satisfied with it.
Honestly I can't understand how you can take a counter-position in this
issue. If everything works fine, you could download MACHINA II in lossless
quality, which is great and my goal.
If all this fails, you will get nothing, which sux and just therefore you should
actually support my idea, just for your favour.
And if you aren't interested in MACHINA II in lossless quality, well how do I
have to interpret your post then ? As an attempt to satisfy your combativeness
by raising an unnecessary argumentation for nothing ? Because if you aren't
interested in MACHINA II in lossless quality, this whole issue here should
actually attract as much attention of you as a rice bag falling over in china
right now ...

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:39 PM   #25
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is this a troll??? have we been Punk'd?? Everyone already has this in lossless quality and has for probably 6 years. Q101 had one of the 25 vinyl copies and did a professional rip and sold pressed cd's of it, spifc did the same, as well as virgin records which released promos that were eventually leaked.... seriously welcome to 2000. You are not doing anybody any favors

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 10:56 PM   #26
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is this a troll??? have we been Punk'd?? Everyone already has this in lossless quality and has for probably 6 years. Q101 had one of the 25 vinyl copies and did a professional rip and sold pressed cd's of it, spifc did the same, as well as virgin records which released promos that were eventually leaked.... seriously welcome to 2000. You are not doing anybody any favors
Ehm, so much to these two versions

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Yes there is a so called Q101 machina II , if you ever used pumpkins hub, then you have a chance to download it the tracklisting is identical but the sound quality is lower than on so called "virgin promo", you wanna know what I think: all these versions doesn't deserve paying money for em , except vinyl version (one of 25), cause the quality really sux I mean there are ugly vinyl clicks and pops on most trax I think some of em are clipping, the balance is shifted to the right or left channel on some trax, I think the best thing to do if you want to get such M II is to go to the hub and download either "virgin promo" or q101 m2 in lossless format (although I think the quality sux so hard that theres nothing to lose )

I reccomend you to read the thread - real machina 2 , on the board .

BTW Welcome to the board ;-)
... from another smashing pumpkins-board, but anyway,... if there is already
Machina II in lossless quality (shn or wavpack or ape or flac) out there, then
please tell me where to get it right now. And don't say 'buy it at XYZ', because
then I feel punk'd ;/ ...

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:04 PM   #27
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if there is already Machina II in lossless quality (shn or wavpack or ape or flac) out there, then please tell me where to get it right now. And don't say 'buy it at XYZ', because then I feel punk'd ;/ ...
check either of these 3 places

here

or

here

or

here

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:13 PM   #28
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Awesome ! But pleeeease do me a favour and share - I mean, if you don't
want to use it, okay- , but pleeeeeease share a lossless version http://www.pcwelt.de/forum/images/smilies/anbet.gif .
If you want, I can help you with it, that's no problem .
If you don't feel like making it available for everyone for certain period, then
just upload it to me and I will do the rest .
And if you don't feel like doing the whole configuration, hey, no problem:
The configuration is saved in one certain, small file, which I can send to
you, so that you have the right configuration right of the start, when you
put it in the appropriate folder . *support whore*
http://www.emotioneric.com/panic.jpg

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:20 PM   #29
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check either of these 3 places

here

or

here

or

here
Normal people would have said something like 'hey, what you intend to do
has already been done, so better try to search the products of it than,
trying to create it by your own, buddy', but not you.
Fuck off, you stupid, disabled cunt.
If this is the way you approach smashing pumpkins-fans that aren't 'in the scene'
since the beginning of the smashing pumpkins and thus don't know every
single detail, fine. Drop dead and do a good deed so, you poor, pathetic wanker

 
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Old 02-13-2006, 11:27 PM   #30
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download it from the hub

trade for it

post an ISO here

buy it on EBAY!!!

alternatively:

http://goatse.ragingfist.net/

www.tubgirl.com

www.lemonparty.org

 
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