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10-17-2018, 12:33 PM | #91 |
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I was here before 200, lurking in 97-98. I remember when the theme changed to Adore as well (when was that - curious to know). It was so exciting. And many times it was mean spirited aggressiveness and negativity but u knew where it was coming from and everyone had "an understanding" and people on here were so nice and giving, most anyway. (except for the L33t hoarders). And how awesome was it when the Font sets came out? And checking in the main page every day to see it change to the machina theme (which it never did). Adore came out, seeing the euro free shows outside made me jealous that the USA couldn't do the same thing, but being inspired by the proceeds all going to charity. And then the Arising shows were amazing. If you missed the Arising era, you missed out. That I think was the perfect time to be on Netphoria. The mixture of excitement, cynicism, frustration, and surprise made you check the site every single day for the latest news. We all felt like something big was going to happen. Checking SPFC every night to see the setlists. Which used to change all the time btw, made it soooo much more interesting. Checking Jereon's site to see if anything new came up, spending hours downloading one mp3 at a time. I remember tank girl (shandi?) who's only goal in life was to own every single recording no matter the quality. She was super nice to do B+P's with me. The triple tree excitement was awesome. Checking people's boot lists, remember that?
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10-17-2018, 12:35 PM | #92 | |
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There are two ways to looks at everything, in a charitable way, or in the worst light possible. Even taking your own view, you could say "good on Billy for trying to make a quick, poppy album in an attempt to reach new fans, too bad it didn't work, maybe Day for Night would have had a hit single.", but instead you opt for the worst view possible, as if you secretly delight in his failure, strangely enough. I can see why you and others might delight in his failure, he's an asshole, no question about it, but let's recognize this situation for what it is. |
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10-17-2018, 12:36 PM | #93 |
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10-17-2018, 12:42 PM | #94 |
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I didn’t read the whole thread (I know I know sorry) but was here a tiny bit pre- final shows and then regularly starting in 2001 and it was so much worse as far as people being mean to each other
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10-17-2018, 12:42 PM | #95 |
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I think people liked zeitgeist initially? Or at least the ten second clip of tarantula?
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10-17-2018, 12:46 PM | #96 | |
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despising the album is a valid thing to do a lot of people think it really fucking sucks. so do I, deal with it |
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10-17-2018, 12:47 PM | #97 |
real estate cowboy
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everything from machina on really sucked to be honest. I am still here though, quelle horreur
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10-17-2018, 12:48 PM | #98 |
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10-17-2018, 12:51 PM | #99 |
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10-17-2018, 12:51 PM | #100 |
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lmao monuments. some people like, some people don't like :shrug:
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10-17-2018, 12:52 PM | #101 |
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10-17-2018, 12:54 PM | #102 |
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Gish acoustic demos hoax anyone?
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10-17-2018, 12:56 PM | #103 |
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10-17-2018, 01:06 PM | #104 |
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I remember that. Started around 96/97 (maybe 95) but for a while all I had access to were mp3s on napster. I tried to avoid spending $20-$30 on a bootleg at a record store or pawn shop but they always made me smile when I ran into them. It was fun going to Luna and SPFC to read up on what was all out there though. Printing lyrics, interviews and boot descriptions off the 2 previously mentioned sites and others in the computer lab at school because I didn't have a computer at home. I also remember getting emails from Listessa and trying to keep up on that using an old hotmail account I no longer have access to.
Then in the early 2000s downloading torrents from sharingthegroove.org which turned into The Traders' Den or Dime a Dozen. This all makes me want to start a separate thread (been wanting to for a bit actually) about the old DC++ Hub that was around 2002-2005. I finally starting taping shows on my own in 2004 because of all the "I only trade master for master" BS in the trading community. When I lurked on Netphoria in the early/mid '00s I think I mostly just hung out in the Live Recordings forum. I don't remember being on the O board for whatever reason. How about accessing #smashingpumpkins on EFnet through the mIRC app? christ we're all going to die some day. |
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10-17-2018, 01:29 PM | #105 |
real estate cowboy
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10-17-2018, 01:32 PM | #106 |
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I've been here a long time and I think at first everyone was kind of immature and enjoyed doing ridiculous/dumb things like the links (goatse, lemonparty, etc.), but overall was down with Corgan and the band. We all grew up and did less of this joke stuff as time has gone on.
I think where things went awry is when Corgan produced mediocre music and then chastised the fans for "not understanding" where he was coming from, etc. Like, he literally punished his fanbase by withholding an album because someone said something negative about it. And even then, he was bitter towards true fans that wanted to hear deep cuts, and also chastised casual fans that wanted to hear 1979, etc. Also for awhile here, there were a few posters (Monte, Corganist) who literally had no ability to constructively view the band's work and were complete and utter homers, and in a weird way served as a foil that generated "negativity." That negativity was less about the band itself and more a reaction to blind allegiance (which ironically, is exactly what Corgan thinks constitutes a real fan). For me, the real breaking point was around the 20th Anniversary Tour where he either a) blatantly trolled everyone by playing shit like Set the Controls or b) thought what he was doing actually had artistic merit. He treated everyone (including Jimmy, who left shortly after) like complete garbage. It was a lot harder to take his work seriously after that, and as far as I'm concerned, he's still got a long way to go towards true removal of judgment. |
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10-17-2018, 01:35 PM | #107 |
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10-17-2018, 01:47 PM | #108 | |
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When I discuss Machina I and II, I gush over the narrative. On New Years' Day last year I got just blitzed enough on white wine to let myself go and do a song-by-song analysis of each one's themes, what it covers, and where I think everything fits storywise. At the time I considered it embarrassing, but now I'm kinda proud of it. Shit, I'm even making Machina II companion lyric booklets in the style of the original albums' artwork to share with the community, because the reissue's apparently going to use new art and I'd like to have an option available for anyone like myself who has an appreciation for the originals' aesthetic (not because I believe offhand the new art will inevitably suck or anything). There is no "new SP sucks and I want Bill to fail" with me. I firmly believe Ma Belle is one of the twenty best tracks he's ever written - it makes me tear up every time I listen to it - and that is saying a lot because of the sheer amount of quality tracks he has put out over the years. I also believe Ogilala is a pleasant rainy-day album, and I'm still stunned by how good and heartfelt Archer is. Bring up a post-reunion track, any one. I'll tell you what I love and hate about it as much as there is of either. Any album. If you want me to criticise MTaE in more impartial terms, I can do that. The lyrics are repetitive and more often than not paint so abstract a picture as to paint nothing at all - I think Being Beige and One And All are about the only ones that come close to being 'about' anything. Barring Tiberius, the songs have no sonic bite. The synths sound misplaced and cheesy. The polished production is nice, but it's like looking through a spotless window at an empty wall - there's no substance. I don't delight in his failure. I don't go out of my way to shit on him because I see his asshole remarks and tendencies as the product of a life plagued by abuse, the excesses of fame, and the bitterness of a fall from grace, and all the way through having to contend with psychological disorder. Every time he lashes out at someone it's in the most hurtful way possible because perpetually, deep inside, he is a wounded child. Intimating that I want him to fail's a disingenuous way to describe my feelings. I think Silvery Sometimes is a pretty good track on the whole, and without the dragged-out opening bit, the video is probably the best music video out of the band since 1998 - light-hearted and silly, in other words, classic SP vibes to me. I'm glad the Shiny tour was much more successful than anyone could have predicted. But I can never say the phrase "Good on Billy for trying to make a quick poppy album" because it is, full stop, something I think he is absolutely above and not something the SP name has ever stood for. It was a point where I think he just completely stopped following his muse. And I don't believe it was about trying to reach new fans - it was about trying to achieve commercial success. Different things. I'm not "happy the album failed" as much as I am "glad it was a learning experience for him and he changed directions". I don't want him to put out fifteen different iterations of Bodies or As Rome Burns - I just want him to put out work that really speaks to people and moves them like he used to do constantly without even trying. And you know, some people around here actually do dig MTaE. Good on them. Just not my cup of tea and will never be. |
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10-17-2018, 01:48 PM | #109 |
real estate cowboy
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10-17-2018, 01:48 PM | #110 | |
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If you load up most post 2007 stuff in YouTube, Zeitgeist, Teargarden, even MTaE, and you look at the comments, you see lots of very positive remarks. It goes to show that there are a lot of people who like the music he made post 2007, and it disproves the idea that Billy made bad music. If someone out there likes it, it aint bad. Last edited by MonumentsRocks : 10-17-2018 at 02:02 PM. |
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10-17-2018, 01:50 PM | #111 |
real estate cowboy
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See monumentssucks, i don't like the Machinas, and you can choose to act like an adult about it like shadaloo who does like em. Opinions, man.
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10-17-2018, 01:54 PM | #112 |
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10-17-2018, 02:01 PM | #113 | |
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Fans here listened to his first solo album repeatedly because it was odd and angular, and demanded time. It was a departure. Monuments was just nothing music. I get your point over the fan investment fallacy, but yeah - defending that one record feels like a waste of time, and an insult to Netohoria which while harsh, does give records a chance. |
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10-17-2018, 02:10 PM | #114 |
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I've been here for less than a year. Not sure why it took me so long to stumble across Netphoria, even though I've been an SP fan for years. I do tend to be more of a forum lurker, than active contributor, though...
As for "negativity", I don't know that this place is any worse than the internet in general. Every read Youtube comments? Now, THAT shit is toxic. I do find it rather quaint that Netphoria even exists still. Fan pages/boards feel like such a relic from the 90s. Not unlike the Pumpkins, I guess. I'm with the other posters who say they are here because they're waiting for another (however unlikely) Corgan masterpeice. I'm in the minority in that I actually like TBK, and a lot of the SP2 material... |
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10-17-2018, 02:12 PM | #115 | |
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10-17-2018, 02:24 PM | #116 |
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I want you to sit and think about that last sentence for, like, five minutes straight and get back to me
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10-17-2018, 02:28 PM | #117 |
real estate cowboy
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10-17-2018, 02:28 PM | #118 |
real estate cowboy
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mate, mtae sucks.
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10-17-2018, 02:33 PM | #119 | |
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I don't know what to tell the rest of you, I guess you're out of luck. |
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10-17-2018, 02:35 PM | #120 |
real estate cowboy
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see, that's what's up. dealing with it as we speak.
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