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Old 04-26-2002, 10:09 PM   #1
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Post Most Technically Difficult SP Solo?

I would suppose the obvious choices are Starla and Drown, but me not being a guitar guru... would anyone else have any opinions about the most difficult solo to play?

 
Old 04-26-2002, 10:28 PM   #2
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maybe not hard, but Zero and XYU sure are weird

 
Old 04-26-2002, 10:37 PM   #3
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I've heard tell that Bury Me has a pretty difficult solo...


PauL

 
Old 04-26-2002, 10:41 PM   #4
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Bury Me for sure!!

I love playing it but it isn't easy!

 
Old 04-26-2002, 10:45 PM   #5
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cinnamon girl!

 
Old 04-26-2002, 10:52 PM   #6
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About 30 people are going to come in here and shout 'Geek USA!!1!' because bolly made them stoppen ze cuppen with it. I think Bury Me's definitely up there, what with the modal changes and the fast harmonics

 
Old 04-26-2002, 11:24 PM   #7
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Originally posted by Stearnsie:
I would suppose the obvious choices are Starla and Drown, but me not being a guitar guru... would anyone else have any opinions about the most difficult solo to play?
What's so hard about the Drown solo? Like, I can even play it so that it sounds recognisable, which means that it's probably easy as hell. Is there some technique or something you're supposed to use that I don't know about?

Or were you talking about that stupid feedback?


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Old 04-26-2002, 11:42 PM   #8
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As I said, I'm not really a guitar player, but listening to the Drown solo... I've never heard a guitar sound like that before. So, I would've assumed it was pretty hard. Maybe I'm wrong.

 
Old 04-27-2002, 12:07 AM   #9
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Originally posted by Stearnsie:
As I said, I'm not really a guitar player, but listening to the Drown solo... I've never heard a guitar sound like that before. So, I would've assumed it was pretty hard. Maybe I'm wrong.
Well there's more to a solo than getting the right notes in order, it's the way you play them too. Recognizable is one thing, but pulling it off faithfully is a little harder. But no, Drown isn't a particularily complex one

 
Old 04-27-2002, 03:25 AM   #10
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Some people will say the Starla solo, but I think that's cheating... because that all improvisation. Trying to copy it exactly would be silly... Billy didn't even copy the studio version of the solo when playing it live.

Anyway... I'm not very good at guitar yet, but I tried playing along to most of the Siamese Dream solos today, while looking at the tab book. I was able to do cheap imitations of Soma, Cherub Rock, and Quiet... but there's no way I could even imagine doing the Geek USA solo.

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Old 04-27-2002, 07:14 AM   #11
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OF COURSE ITS GEEK USA!!!1,
Thats THE ONE SOLO EVAR!
takes alot of skill
but I'm almost there...
practice, just practice...

 
Old 04-27-2002, 07:20 AM   #12
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and stoppen ze throwen ze cuppen

 
Old 04-27-2002, 07:31 PM   #13
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I subscribe to billy's theory on soloing, which is to never attempt to copy somebody elses solo, cuz it just won't work...thats my 2 cents in case you're an aspiring player or something...it's helped me alot

 
Old 04-29-2002, 02:01 AM   #14
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Bolly saved his best solo for the end...Untitled is hard as heck!

 
Old 04-29-2002, 02:07 AM   #15
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smiley:
Some people will say the Starla solo, but I think that's cheating... because that all improvisation. Trying to copy it exactly would be silly... Billy didn't even copy the studio version of the solo when playing it live.
Forgive me if i'm mistaken - it's been a while since i've heard a version of this song live - but UC 2000-11-29 sounded like he was trying to get pretty close from what i remember http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

 
Old 04-29-2002, 01:03 PM   #16
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The best solo by the pumpkins for me is the one in "For Martha". That solo kicks ass!!!

I don't know if it's their best 'technically', though...

 
Old 04-29-2002, 11:21 PM   #17
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Basically, with the Pumpkins, the most difficult is gonna be whatever is the fastest. A lot of the time the cool sounding stuff just comes from held, bent notes, which are pretty easy to play, and it's not like Billy is into crazy Satriani stuff or Van Halen fingertapping.

So you've got Soma and Geek USA up there, cause they've both got superfast runs in there, and Untitled seems like it would be a bitch to try and pull off, too. Then there's Starla, just because it'd be hard to string all that stuff together. I haven't gotten to the point where I'm trying to bring off Gish stuff, either -- most of that sounds pretty rough, though I haven't sat down with a tab and tried to go through it, so it could be easier than it sounds. But that's sort of my take -- guess I didn't have a lot to contribute, after all.

 
Old 04-30-2002, 12:45 AM   #18
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disarm :-P

 
Old 04-30-2002, 12:58 AM   #19
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The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.

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Old 04-30-2002, 02:02 PM   #20
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Quote:
Originally posted by NegativeSleep:
The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.

IT'S A DELAY PEDAL!!!

why does no-one see this? :/

 
Old 04-30-2002, 03:41 PM   #21
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Originally posted by NegaBenji:
IT'S A DELAY PEDAL!!!

why does no-one see this? :/
have you heard the Nothing + Everything live version that was a bonus on the RTS or see the clip in full circle from the on the cable show in 88 or 89. There is no delay. That is by far the hardest solo. Thats when Billy was listening to Yngwie Malmsteen too much.

 
Old 04-30-2002, 05:35 PM   #22
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the solo in jackie blue. the licks! dear god the licks!

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Old 05-02-2002, 04:14 PM   #23
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Originally posted by NegativeSleep:
The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.

first thing I noticed when I first heard that song. it sounds a bit like a metallica solo.

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Old 05-02-2002, 11:35 PM   #24
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the solo in Fuck You is kinda difficult to pull off cause it's so damn fast.

and i think one of the most "technical" solos has to be all that shit from Glass and the Ghost Children.

no shit.

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Old 05-03-2002, 04:00 PM   #25
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billy said that the solo for zero was planned meticulously beforehand, and that it took like 3 hours to set up the right distortion.
also, it's not hard but billy had to do like 30 takes of the quiet solo to get the feedback just right.

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Old 05-03-2002, 04:07 PM   #26
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Originally posted by paranoid:
the solo in jackie blue. the licks! dear god the licks!

Most underrated solo ever.

 
Old 05-03-2002, 09:37 PM   #27
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Quote:
Originally posted by liquid slide:
billy said that the solo for zero was planned meticulously beforehand, and that it took like 3 hours to set up the right distortion.
also, it's not hard but billy had to do like 30 takes of the quiet solo to get the feedback just right.

i thought james did that one...am i wrong?

 
Old 05-03-2002, 11:25 PM   #28
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jesus Is Me:
i thought james did that one...am i wrong?
if you're talking about the zero one, you are correct, as for quiet, i am 100% certain it was billy



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Old 05-04-2002, 07:58 AM   #29
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live, James plays the Zero solo, so doesn't that mean he recorded it in the studio.

in a sound board recording of the vancover 97, James is right and bolly is left, and as the right channel has a wah, and the channel on the left starts zero and plays the TAFH Solo yadda yadda.

 
Old 05-04-2002, 04:46 PM   #30
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I'm not a guitar guru either, but: Alabaster?

 
 


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