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Old 03-20-2019, 09:08 AM   #61
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solo billy = stupid hats

 
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:11 AM   #62
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and also stupid pseudo-"olden" words like "neath"

 
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:29 PM   #63
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Old 03-20-2019, 03:53 PM   #64
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Vol. 2 is nothing but synths and one strange crunching noise at the beginning

After months of speculation Billy reveals on Instagram that the crunch is the sound of the Gish Strat smashing clean through the SD Mellotron

 
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:06 PM   #65
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its odd that now he is going back and reach for all the old instruments and equipment he used throughout SP1.

 
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:36 PM   #66
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I don't think anyone believes that "original" instruments can make this work out well.
Only a Saturn Return can.


 
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Old 03-21-2019, 05:54 AM   #67
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Odd or weird, I see it as positive!

If it means no more TgbK synths then that's a good thing.

Now, if he could just rediscover that old voice...

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:17 AM   #68
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I don't find it weird to embrace old gear, many people including artists and other professionals hang on specific items, for example authors often keep their old typewriters or even fountain pens. Or photographers picking up their first analog camera now and then, they don't do it because they don't have better gear at this point.
I don't think it's about believing you could recreate something you once worked on many years or decades ago, but feeling comfortable and "at home", consciously and probably to a bigger part subconsciously being connected to memories from the time by using that item.

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 07:49 AM   #69
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I'm waiting for the relationship with D'arcy to be freshly repaired and to allow her to do one song's bassline, to become overwhelmed by nostalgic feelings...

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:18 AM   #70
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I'm waiting for the relationship with D'arcy to be freshly repaired and to allow her to do one song's bassline, to become overwhelmed by nostalgic feelings...
Stranger things have happened.

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:56 AM   #71
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I hope Rubin isn't working on it again. He sucked every ounce of energy and soul out of Jimmy's drums.
Rubin didn't actually work on the first one. He's more a brand name at this point. He shows up once a month to check what his underlings are doing.

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:06 PM   #72
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...and take a nap.

 
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:54 PM   #73
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Rubin seems like a pretty cool guy. Definitely an original. I'm readin' the Beastie Boys bio right now. It's a helluva book, highly recommend. One of the most unique ones I've read.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 01:05 AM   #74
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It's just a marketing ploy

"Hey look! here are some photos of instruments that I used when I was younger and could write good songs!"

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:09 AM   #75
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:15 AM   #76
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:20 AM   #77
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Well it's encouraging that they are working on it so soon, and not delaying till later in the year for whatever blah blah blah reason.

I just hope they take their time working on the guitars, vocals, arrangements, and production / mixing. And that we don't get a "it was done in 5 days" album.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:45 AM   #78
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And that we don't get a "it was done in 5 days" album.
I think that's how Jimmy likes to work now. He comes in, hits the boom booms for a take each song and leaves. He's got his legacy in stone already. Now it's about appearances and making his kids' athletic tournaments.

Honestly I think Jimmy needs to join another rock band to show that he's still got it. He can sleepwalk through SP now.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 08:06 AM   #79
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I think at this stage they can only benefit from this process. Billy tends to overproduce his music more than the other way around.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:12 AM   #80
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I think that's how Jimmy likes to work now. He comes in, hits the boom booms for a take each song and leaves. He's got his legacy in stone already. Now it's about appearances and making his kids' athletic tournaments.

Honestly I think Jimmy needs to join another rock band to show that he's still got it. He can sleepwalk through SP now.
With the decline of album sales, artists (especially if you arenít on a major label) donít have the budget anymore to set up camp in a studio for six months at a time, track 100 songs, etc. Drums are generally tracked first, with everything else built on top. Iím a drummer myself (and Iím NO Jimmy) and Iíve generally been able to track at least six songs a day (with 2-3 takes per song, minor editing such as adding a missed cymbal crash, and any percussion overdubs needed). The piecemeal approach also means James and Jeff can just add their parts individually afterwards, again, over a period of days rather than months.

Generally I agree though, I think the fact that they donít live in the studio for months at a time helps. They all have families, and itís easier to do side projects away from Smashing Pumpkins. However, it also means that the songs are a little bit safer, more structured, and less ďjammyĒ than before.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #81
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Generally I agree though, I think the fact that they donít live in the studio for months at a time helps. They all have families, and itís easier to do side projects away from Smashing Pumpkins. However, it also means that the songs are a little bit safer, more structured, and less ďjammyĒ than before.
It also leads to a "this'll do" approach. As they don't have time to sweat over each note, or work on a 30 second piece of music for two weeks.

Really though, I don't know why Billy doesn't just set up a home studio and work there, he can spend as long as he wants on getting the sound right without being "away" from his family.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:35 AM   #82
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Corgan has become lazy old. When they needed an intro for "Being Beige" and drummer Tommy Lee was already gone, he thought, a crappy drum machine would be ok for the first notes...


 
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Old 03-22-2019, 09:44 AM   #83
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he also forgot to shave for a couple of weeks, it seems

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 10:08 AM   #84
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I have faith the album will be fine musically and have all the good callbacks etc of past

But in classic Corgan style he’s going to sing with vibrato instead of like he did on Marchin On, and then he’s gonna neuter any grit to the songs, ultimately releasing 13 bland, toothless “rawk” tracks with some echoes of Siamese Dream with the mellotron and the Gish guitar

For a guy who brags that he likes to move forward, he sure is stuck in the past

It’s all safe inoffensive dad rock, whether or not it’ll be passable is up for debate, i’d like something at least on the level of AiC’s latest, but I know that won’t happen

 
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I have faith the album will be fine musically and have all the good callbacks etc of past

But in classic Corgan style heís going to sing with vibrato instead of like he did on Marchin On, and then heís gonna neuter any grit to the songs, ultimately releasing 13 bland, toothless ďrawkĒ tracks with some echoes of Siamese Dream with the mellotron and the Gish guitar

For a guy who brags that he likes to move forward, he sure is stuck in the past

Itís all safe inoffensive dad rock, whether or not itíll be passable is up for debate, iíd like something at least on the level of AiCís latest, but I know that wonít happen
I'd agree with all of this.

You can have bands like Slowdive releasing great albums years later that don't have to shake the zeitgeist. Don't try to make a hit single, what does that even mean in 2019?

Just make great songs.

 
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What will the lineup be like this time? Mikey, D'arcy, and James?

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 10:55 PM   #87
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I have faith the album will be fine musically and have all the good callbacks etc of past

But in classic Corgan style heís going to sing with vibrato instead of like he did on Marchin On, and then heís gonna neuter any grit to the songs, ultimately releasing 13 bland, toothless ďrawkĒ tracks with some echoes of Siamese Dream with the mellotron and the Gish guitar

For a guy who brags that he likes to move forward, he sure is stuck in the past

Itís all safe inoffensive dad rock, whether or not itíll be passable is up for debate, iíd like something at least on the level of AiCís latest, but I know that wonít happen
I haven't once had any interest since November to go back and listen to any songs on SOSB. There's no just memory of them at all. It's strange.. I remember the days when I used to be excited to listen to SP albums over and over again.

 
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:37 PM   #88
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volume 2

cause so many people listened to SAOSBV1LPNPNFNS and thought ďgod I need moreĒ

 
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Old 03-23-2019, 05:54 AM   #89
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it would be worse to release a volume 1 and then not go through with the announced volume 2. also who cares what it's called, I don't really expect it to sound like volume 1.

 
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:15 AM   #90
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I think he is just trying to find his feet again - but I'm more interested in what comes after Volume 2.

This feels like a transition period, hopefully to something more ambitious musically but those days are most likely in the past as he tries to chase commercial success. I don't think we'll get anything world changing under his Smashing Pumpkins (tm.) brand.

The best I can hope for is another interesting diversion like TFE.

 
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