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Jeff Schroeder 9 28.13%
Mike Byrne 2 6.25%
Nicole Fiorentino 5 15.63%
Ginger Pooley 7 21.88%
Lisa Harriton 7 21.88%
Mark Tulin 2 6.25%
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:43 PM   #121
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andy warhol had to sell art before he became "andy warhol"
You're arguing that Andy Warhol didn't become "Andy Warhol" until he was famous...of course he was always Andy Warhol.

It was his personality and style that made his work better/more interesting even from the very beginning because his work was almost always pedestrian and even downright crappy, it was his personality and style that made his work significant enough to stand out right from the beginning.

If you're gonna argue that I'm not right on this then you're gonna have to tell me: How could someone like that become a cultural phenomenon producing the kind of work that he did?

The quality of his work didn't do it, ever. I would argue that it was always mainly his personality and style that made him significant and important, what else could it possibly be?

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Old 03-12-2014, 08:45 PM   #122
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i deleted the morespsoon post causing it which is further proof it's a sockpuppet troll
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Ya it is a troll for sure.
Coming from people like you guys, this is the best kind of compliments I can get in a situation like this.

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.
Margaret Thatcher

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:52 PM   #123
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a margaret thatcher quote just makes me want to puke great job

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:53 PM   #124
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are you going to get to that one about running out of other people's money

 
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Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.

Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out. She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone—and was sailing AWAY from the islands! When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs-up sign for the British press.

Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a prime minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity.

MORRISSEY.

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:55 PM   #126
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that first paragraph also describes someone in this thread

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:58 PM   #127
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You're arguing that Andy Warhol didn't become "Andy Warhol" until he was famous...of course he was always Andy Warhol.

It was his personality and style that made his work better/more interesting even from the very beginning because his work was almost always pedestrian and even downright crappy, it was his personality and style that made his work significant enough to stand out right from the beginning.

If you're gonna argue that I'm not right on this then you're gonna have to tell me: How could someone like that become a cultural phenomenon producing the kind of work that he did?

The quality of his work didn't do it, ever. I would argue that it was always mainly his personality and style that made him significant and important, what else could it possibly be?
Was this post missed?

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:21 PM   #128
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yeah i don't really care about responding, it's not like it's going to be productive

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:37 PM   #129
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Agreed, no point.

Moarspoon thatcher is a retard

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:51 PM   #130
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I could talk for hours about Warhol's Factory within a serious historical context but Smashing Pumpkins fans are pretty fucking stupid and will just believe what they want to believe.

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:00 PM   #131
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Was this post missed?
i certainly haven't been

missing it

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:02 PM   #132
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I mean just reading that little paragraph proves that he is completely unaware of Warhol within the context of history, which is a huge problem for SP fans in general.

I blame YouTube and social media - it throws everything in your lap right now and makes everything seem so common.

 
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I could talk for hours about Warhol's Factory within a serious historical context but Smashing Pumpkins fans are pretty fucking stupid and will just believe what they want to believe.
Yep.

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:29 PM   #134
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Has ragging on the fans replaced ragging on Bill? Is that where we're at now?

 
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:50 PM   #136
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Nah, but I've mostly hated the fans.

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:05 AM   #137
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ok good i wanted to make sure i wasn't redirecting

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:44 AM   #138
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Was this post missed?
Stop repeating yourself and think it makes your opinion any more founded, you shithead parrot.

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:00 AM   #139
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I mean just reading that little paragraph proves that he is completely unaware of Warhol within the context of history, which is a huge problem for SP fans in general.

I blame YouTube and social media - it throws everything in your lap right now and makes everything seem so common.
yeah i felt like if i bothered explaining it, it would be on completely deaf ears since mr. "I think Dio is better than Ozzy" has already decided what he thinks

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:10 AM   #140
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I really like morespsoon's avatar but it's totally wasted on him.

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:11 AM   #141
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i don't even know that much about warhol, i would actually be interested in your dissertation slunk

i just know he is responsible for recording the velvets, and one of the great rock records of all time, and i am thankful

that just shows to me that he wasn't just a guy who made everything "cool" because he was "cool"
he was a guy who had a very keen idea of what art was, what made it relevant, and how it fit to his era
if VU was some ole bullshit it wouldn't have had the lasting legacy it does

 
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I really like morespsoon's avatar but it's totally wasted on him.
i think it's fitting. he is a manchild.

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:14 AM   #143
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yeah i felt like if i bothered explaining it, it would be on completely deaf ears since mr. "I think Dio is better than Ozzy" has already decided what he thinks
Haha forgot about that. Totally.

"I made an arbitrary decision based on nothing so your facts are meaningless"

 
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i just know he is responsible for recording the velvets, and one of the great rock records of all time, and i am thankful
He wasn't actaully responsible for recording them, it was just the help of his influence that it happened at all. All he'd have to do would be to walk in the studio every now and then and be like "oh wow, that sounds fantaaaastic, don't you think?" and everyone went along with it because he liked it.

Tom Wilson was actually the guy that recorded and engineered their first and second records, who previously worked with The Mothers of Invention, Simon and Gafunkel, and Bob Dylan.

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 03:28 AM   #145
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well yeah it's hard to exactly put it into a consice word other than he "signed" them or "discovered" them i guess is the best way to put it

his money went into VU & Nico, and he was the one who brought Nico in.

 
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and the cover is classic

dudes like morespsoon are like "it's just a stupid banana i could have done that"

 
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OH yeah of course and the cover. I am quite a fan of covers like that have stuff that you can take off or adjust or move and shit.

I think it's more important that he hosted them at The Factory, getting a record done was a logical followup to that, especially as it was treated as an art piece.

 
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If Lou Reed had made Lulu with Billy Corgan instead of Metallica, how would he be faring in this poll?

 
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:40 AM   #149
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i'd actually be interested in lulu with b. corg

i didn't bother with that because it was metallica and i'm like man fuck ya'll u don't know nothin bout no lou reed

 
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i dunno if bill does either but his music seems to be informed by torrential waves of noise

 
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