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Old 10-14-2020, 04:58 AM   #121
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why would William use the drummer from Gorillaz to bake bread?
Because it's groundbreaking.

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 06:46 PM   #122
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“A couple pieces of memorabilia from Zwan’s forgettable performance on the UK’s historic program, “Top Of The Pops”; taped on February 13, 2003. I had played the show before with the Pumpkins, having made the mistake of singing live while the band and some unknown string players mimed along to a canned backing track (the UK, should your song have strings on it, will make you hire string players in such instances so “such things don’t put their people out of work”). In the case of the Zwan performance, which I remember nothing of, as I couldn’t even tell you what song we played, I do remember noting that @coldplay was on the show as well. As Zwan was sinking like a stone, Coldplay was making their meteoric rise; as they should, for they are a great, enduring band. But being grumpy that afternoon, and not liking the way we were being treated by BBC staff, for as is often the case when you’re on the ascent, the camera people and the staffers couldn’t be more interested in you and what you had for breakfast. But when you’re on the decline, or you’re perceived as being cold in a business that celebrates heat, those same staffers and minions just can’t be bothered with where you’re supposed to stand and what you’re supposed to do next. So my one lasting memory from this is walking down a long hallway by myself, and seeing the approach of Coldplay’s Chris Martin. And in that moment, instead of doing what I should have done, which is to stick out my hand and say “Hello mate, how ya doin’? Love what you’re doing and keep it up”, I walked past and said nary a word. It's hard to say it is a moment of regret, because life is like that: we do dumb things for dumb reasons, that’s what makes us human. But knowing what I know now, which is that the band playing before you or after you on the bill has worked just as hard as you have, and is thinking the same silly things (I would assume) about the gig, for musicians tend to be a slovenly bunch, I would have preferred to give Mr. Martin the respect he is and was due. And that is why a memory like this transcends the yawning staffers and the failing single on the ‘ol charts.” - @williampcorgan SmashingPumpkins.com/archives

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Old 10-14-2020, 06:54 PM   #123
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Seems like he learned something but the memorabilia of a guitar strap and sketch of the stage layout is about as exciting as a receipt from Guitar Center or a Japanese flyer

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:49 PM   #124
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why do you think the single did so badly billy

billy

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Old 10-14-2020, 10:56 PM   #125
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:06 PM   #126
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HOLY SHIT bill is definitely the rich dude and paz is rose and [whichever of the guitarists] is jack

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:06 PM   #127
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jimmy is the italian friend from the beginning

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:15 PM   #128
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wait no Jimmy is the uh engineer guy who built all those watertight compartments but the ship still sunk

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:15 PM   #129
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His name was Fabrizio!

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:16 PM   #130
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96 posts til 8k and all quality

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:19 PM   #131
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why can't Billy just share some good memories connected to this stuff? Its always the band was sinking, people didn't care about him once the SP1 era was over, people didn't appreciate this or that. How about just being happy people really love a good amount of the albums you made with your band?

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:34 PM   #132
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i have archive posts of the glass house show just sitting there. people say it's the best show i've ever played but then i went online....

i'm just too tired to shit on him anymore

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Old 10-14-2020, 11:39 PM   #133
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Geez, imagine Billy on Christmas morning? Guy’s a fuckin ray of sunshine!

 
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:42 PM   #134
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why can't Billy just share some good memories connected to this stuff? Its always the band was sinking, people didn't care about him once the SP1 era was over, people didn't appreciate this or that. How about just being happy people really love a good amount of the albums you made with your band?
He is the perpetual victim. It justifies, among other things, his continual abuse of the fanbase. There are ppl on here (reprise, johncg) who can explain why itís necessary better than i can. But itís exactly like my dad, who is a dangerous, abusive narcissist. He can never tell a story without including his grievances against all the ppl who wronged him. Usually by failing to acknowledge that he is the smartest/best and most special man that ever lived

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 12:09 AM   #135
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He is the perpetual victim. It justifies, among other things, his continual abuse of the fanbase. There are ppl on here (reprise, johncg) who can explain why itís necessary better than i can. But itís exactly like my dad, who is a dangerous, abusive narcissist. He can never tell a story without including his grievances against all the ppl who wronged him. Usually by failing to acknowledge that he is the smartest/best and most special man that ever lived
When he did he get like this? In SD and MCIS era interviews he always comes across pretty well. He's a little too bothered about this or that but overall he seems okay. Even in Machina era interviews he seems like a cool guy a lot of the time. Sure the idea of the parodying itself was dumb and pretentious but the music was still good who cares anyway.

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 01:54 AM   #136
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In 1993 he talked about appearing on Saturday Night Live as proving something to all the people who bullied him at school

or something

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 01:59 AM   #137
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Even in Machina era interviews he seems like a cool guy a lot of the time.
Guess you never read this one, the infamous ďitís a gaultierĒ interview:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hatephoria/...tent=post_body

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:33 AM   #138
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In 1993 he talked about appearing on Saturday Night Live as proving something to all the people who bullied him at school

or something
Lol, lame. But that performance of Cherub Rock was kind of beyond awesome

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:37 AM   #139
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Guess you never read this one, the infamous ďitís a gaultierĒ interview:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hatephoria/...tent=post_body
Yeah, that's definitely a bad interview

I was thinking about interviews like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5-gybymlq8

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 02:37 AM   #140
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Billy has always been a fuck to varying degrees but it's much more tempting to look past it and forgive him for it during the period that he produced good music

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 03:19 AM   #141
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Bill is always complaining about the fans. Yeah bill... treat your fans better,unblock me on ig, be happy that you are healthy and stfu.
You reap what ypu sow

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 04:09 AM   #142
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I was excited but then read that they're PHOTO ARCHIVES

PHOTO ARCHIVES

HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU COULDN'T WRITE A PARODY THIS GOOD.

FUCKING PHOTO ARCHIVES

FUCKING PHOTO ARCHIVES

for real though

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 05:24 AM   #143
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Bill is always complaining about the fans. Yeah bill... treat your fans better,unblock me on ig, be happy that you are healthy and stfu.
You reap what ypu sow
Youíre just his master and heís staring you down, your tangents are vexing the whorl

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 06:39 AM   #144
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Didn't know Zwan were on TOTP. Looked for a link but couldn't find one.

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 06:42 AM   #145
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a guitar strap and sketch of the stage layout
not a guitar strap

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 07:13 AM   #146
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Pearl Jam don't have the songs but Coldplay are fucking fantastic. The sentiments of a middle aged man who's chasing that three minute, two chord, simplistic melody chart smash and who has lost any notion of what made his and his peers' music so important.

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 07:28 AM   #147
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My two takeaways from this embarrassing SP post...

Billy isn't alone in thinking others in the industry are beneath him, I remember hearing an anecdote about how Thom Yorke blanked a famous lead singer of a manufactured pop band in a record store. Pretty pathetic on both counts. But I digress...

This apparent self-reflection is all about trying to get a little cross-promotion for Cyr by @-ing the Coldplay account. Hoping for a little bit of press coverage if Chris Martin responds. And Billy is only showing "respect" because Coldplay continues to be relatively successful, moreso than the Pumpkins' legacy in hindsight. There's no doubt a degree of envy and jealousy.

The real lesson should be "don't be a dick" to anyone in the industry regardless of where their career is at or the success they have. Which is why Billy's epiphany here is completely fake. He's feeling bad about himself, not how he treated others. He just wants to bait some acknowledgement from Martin to stroke his ego and promote his record. He should feel shitty about all those people he was rude to who didn't go on to be huge mega-stars earning a ton of money.

Also Billy's disowning of the Zwan record doesn't work when it was his insistence on megalomaniac control of making a pop record which apparently turned the more indie-leaning members off it, coupled with whatever drama with Paz was unfolding in the background. He doesn't get to say "Oh, I'm pleased this was a failure, I knew it would blah blah" - bottom line is Zwan should never have been a TOTP or CD:UK band - and despite everything there are a ton of positives from MSOTS and that era in general, but Bill is always down on it.

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Old 10-15-2020, 10:54 AM   #148
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great post

and of course that reissue will never come out despite it being the last vestige of anything worth waiting for

i'm not sure if i read the anecdote wrong but he's doing all this fucking whining because he didn't say hi to someone 17 years ago?

 
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Old 10-15-2020, 11:25 AM   #149
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If I saw Chris Martin I wouldn't say hello to him either

 
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