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Old 10-08-2020, 08:59 AM   #2611
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What the fuck is this doing in the Machina thread

 
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:05 AM   #2612
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Would be really cool to split the album soundwise and the last chance to release a good one

 
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:07 AM   #2613
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last chance... do you know something we don't brother L????

 
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:50 AM   #2614
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What the fuck is this doing in the Machina thread
Shiny V1 and V2 bookend Machina.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 02:02 AM   #2615
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50-51 tracks not including outtakes.

Currently being mixed.

What the fuck. Please let this be true.

What could these 50-51 tracks even be?

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 02:25 AM   #2616
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i mean those ******* the two records, right? plus sleeping giant, strength in numbers, pale scales...

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 02:26 AM   #2617
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not to be edgy but why are you all getting invested in this

haven't you LEARNED?? countdown 2 was a tracklist. others were shitty synth songs and dumb cartoons.

no more promise, no more sorrow

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 03:00 AM   #2618
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50-51 tracks not including outtakes.
What could these 50-51 tracks even be?
48 Matt Walker Remixes of Heavy Metal Machine?

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:25 AM   #2619
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THAT IS NOT ENOUGH WE NEED MORE THAN 48

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:49 AM   #2620
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i mean those ******* the two records, right? plus sleeping giant, strength in numbers, pale scales...
Strength In Numbers was Zeitgeist era

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not to be edgy but why are you all getting invested in this

haven't you LEARNED?? countdown 2 was a tracklist. others were shitty synth songs and dumb cartoons.

no more promise, no more sorrow
Because I've wanted to hear this album put together properly since 2000

Because If something isn't to my liking I move on instead of curling up in a corner crying and going "wahh wahh nothing will ever be good again"

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 12:07 PM   #2621
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I am a fan of Machina and I do not care about this at all. Will probably still listen to the originals. I am not a fan of remasters.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 01:33 PM   #2622
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The bad mastering absolutely began with Machina 1; this is why you get people who vastly prefer M1's premaster. At the time it came out, the album was reviled for pretty much everything; mixing, mastering, songs being different than on tour, and general fucking loudness. 1999-2000 was the start of that, and I remember The Cure's Bloodflowers being a pretty bad offender - like, I distinctly remember it made my ears hurt. These days it all seems normal because we've been inundated with 20 years of loud at any volume production.
The premaster is vastly superior and I encourage everyone who is interested to Google it

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:32 AM   #2623
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I am a fan of Machina and I do not care about this at all. Will probably still listen to the originals. I am not a fan of remasters.
These are being mixed

and mastered.

key word being mixed

because Machina 2 was never mixed properly to begin with.

Clean sounding Machina 2 tracks.

for fucks sake - that could be rad.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 05:39 AM   #2624
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i honestly like m2 as it is

but then again i listen to the double door show boots

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:48 PM   #2625
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So I guess we're not getting that many unheard of songs from this era, bummer.

Here is my list that I composed before his IG video which is oddly 51 tracks:
1. 3rd Boogie
2. Age of Innocence
3. Aldo Novocaine
4. Autumn
5. Blue Skies Bring Tears
6. Cash Car Star
7. Drain
8. Dross
9. End of the Joke
10. Glass and the Ghost Children
11. Glass' Theme
12. Go
13. Heavy Metal Machine
14. Here I Am
15. Here's to the Atom Bomb
16. Home
17. I of the Mourning
18. If There Is a God
19. In My Body
20. Innosense
21. Jester's Dance
22. Laugh
23. Le Deux Machina
24. Let Me Give the World to You
25. Lover
26. Lucky 13
27. Pale Scales
28. Raindrops + Sunshowers
29. Real Love
30. Rock On (David Essex)
31. Saturnine
32. Sleeping Giant
33. Slow Dawn
34. Soot and Stars
35. Soul Power (James Brown)
36. Speed Kills
37. Stand Inside Your Love
38. The Crying Tree of Mercury
39. The Everlasting Gaze
40. The Imploding Voice
41. The Sacred and Profane
42. This Time
43. Try, Try, Try
44. Untitled
45. Vanity
46. White Spyder
47. Winterlong
48. With Every Light
49. Without You
50. Wound
51. Wurlitzer Piece

Was the Machina era B-side "Liberty and the Epiphany Machine" real?

Was "We Love You" ever recorded?

Is "Identify" considered Machina era?

I was hoping that Satellites would have some kind of full band rock version from the Machina sessions.

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:54 PM   #2626
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Billy considers Identify to be Machina era and said it will be included (the same demo that leaked I’m assuming)

 
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Old 10-24-2020, 03:28 PM   #2627
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Identify > better than anything in the last 20 years

 
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I don't think Pale Scales, Rock On or Soul Power are going to be on the core album.
One's a tour intro, the other two toss-off covers.

This isn't CD1: Machina 1, CD 2&3: Machina 2.

Le Deux Machina is the centre piano piece (synth demo) of GATMOG. Assuming that is still present the way it was on the initial version of M1 there's no reason for it to show up again. Even if they use a different version of song like the leaked version I can't see it showing up as a toss-off instrumental demo just sitting there.

He confirmed a while back Saturnine wasn't going to be part of the tracklist either

I'm assuming all that stuff is relegated to b-sides and bonus disc material.

 
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Rock On and Soul Power are 100% part of the core album and the reason for the rights dispute / delay.

 
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Rock On and Soul Power are 100% part of the core album and the reason for the rights dispute / delay.
No. If it were that simple they would have just not included them the first time they did the tape transfer in 2014.

IIRC Bill also said that on the IG Q&As a few years back that he wasn't paid properly for the Adore reissue and that was one of the things holding them back. To my knowledge that's the only concrete bit of info we've ever had apart from bullshit speculation about covers or Vasily Kafanov's artwork.

 
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Old Today, 12:31 PM   #2631
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I think Iím at peace with the washed out and white noise mixes of Slow Dawn, Vanity, RL etc

Itís been too long and I donít wanna know how modern Billy re-purposes this stuff.

 
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No. If it were that simple they would have just not included them the first time they did the tape transfer in 2014.

IIRC Bill also said that on the IG Q&As a few years back that he wasn't paid properly for the Adore reissue and that was one of the things holding them back. To my knowledge that's the only concrete bit of info we've ever had apart from bullshit speculation about covers or Vasily Kafanov's artwork.
WPC considers them essential to the story.

 
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Old Today, 02:14 PM   #2633
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I think Iím at peace with the washed out and white noise mixes of Slow Dawn, Vanity, RL etc

Itís been too long and I donít wanna know how modern Billy re-purposes this stuff.
for those three it absolutely, absolutely enhances the aesthetic

it doesn't necessarily do so on glass' theme, cash car, etc, but honestly i don't give a shit, i still don't want to hear 2020 corgan ruin it. there's plenty of good live boots with those

 
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Well, Monuments may have been a piece of shit record but it was produced well for what it was, same with Cyr and Cotillons

Shiny V1 was Rick Rubin's fault

The only time in recent memory when Bill's production left a bit to be desired for me was Oceania, and that's because the drums sounded absolutely programmed

Nothing wrong with enjoying MII for what it always has been but that "aesthetic" is straight up unfinished and tossed off, always was. Sounded like shit to me on first listen back in the day

 
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Old Today, 04:15 PM   #2635
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Hell, the MCIS remaster was straight up stellar. Bill's not at the mixing or mastering desk.

I mean, I can totally understand not having faith in Bill these days but look at it this way

Worst comes to worse, just take the new track order and apply it to the old tracks where you can, see if that works for you, or just apply the MI and II configurations to the new versions. Fuck, I'm probably gonna do that anyway and have a few different configurations to listen to.

If you sit there convincing yourself it's going to be shit your reaction to it is probably a foregone conclusion and that's on you

 
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i love that this thread is well over 2 years old and we're not necessarily any closer to getting this than we thought we were back then

 
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