Gish discussion thread (1991 vs 1994 vs 2011)

[Ihaguitar]

Originally Posted by Corgan's Bluff

If I haven't said it loud enough:

I WANT THE FUCKING HIGH RESOLUTION MASTER FROM 2011!

You don't have it?

[ilikeplanets]

oh, i definitely like the best one the most!

[smashingjj]

nah

[MyKeyZ]

Prefer the 2011 remaster if I'm honest.

[Ihaguitar]

I did some listening last night to all three versions. My DAC is a Chord Mojo which can decode the hi-res 2011 remaster.

First I compared I Am One from the 1991 and 1994 versions. I listened to each several times, and what struck me was I could identify the 1994 version every time, partly because it's the version I grew up with and played so often in the 90s. The snare has more weight behind it and there's just that bit more weight and impact, very noticeable in the intro.

After this I played the 2011 remaster. It sounds a bit louder at the same volume level - because it's a bit more compressed. Some details are more obvious too - could be due to that bit more compression, or some EQ changes, or the higher bitrate and sampling rate. But I felt the music had less dynamic impact. the drums didn't sound quite as natural as on the other two versions.

[Shadaloo]

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

I did some listening last night to all three versions. My DAC is a Chord Mojo which can decode the hi-res 2011 remaster.

First I compared I Am One from the 1991 and 1994 versions. I listened to each several times, and what struck me was I could identify the 1994 version every time, partly because it's the version I grew up with and played so often in the 90s. The snare has more weight behind it and there's just that bit more weight and impact, very noticeable in the intro.

After this I played the 2011 remaster. It sounds a bit louder at the same volume level - because it's a bit more compressed. Some details are more obvious too - could be due to that bit more compression, or some EQ changes, or the higher bitrate and sampling rate. But I felt the music had less dynamic impact. the drums didn't sound quite as natural as on the other two versions.

Interesting. Appreciate the comparisons. Don't think I've ever actually heard the '91 original as I got mine in about 1996 or thereabouts. Always idly wondered if I'm missing out on anything.

The 2011 version sounds fine to my ears and is the version I default to nowadays, but I can't say I've ever noticed as much difference as I do with SD or MCIS, where respectively I prefer the original and remaster.

[Ihaguitar]

Somewhat embarrassingly I have discovered I actually got the 1991 and 1994 mixed up last night, which means I preferred the 1991. I need to have another listen but the 1994 sounds a bit muddier. I'm starting to think none of them are perfect, and the 2011 remaster was a missed opportunity. They should have got Steve Hoffman to remaster it.

[myosis]

so the point of getting the hi-res was to have a more compressed version?

[Kumar Littlejeans]

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

Somewhat embarrassingly I have discovered I actually got the 1991 and 1994 mixed up last night, which means I preferred the 1991. I need to have another listen but the 1994 sounds a bit muddier. I'm starting to think none of them are perfect, and the 2011 remaster was a missed opportunity. They should have got Steve Hoffman to remaster it.

Funny you should say that because I personally think this thread should have been on the Steve Hoffman forum.

[Corgan's Bluff]

Good Gosh!

Realised an opportunity to get a High Resolution download of Gish on "Acoustic Sounds".
But it's only a 24bit FLAC with 44kHz sampling frequency.
Wasn't there a 96kHz version...?

And there could be local destrictions according the distribution.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/11...24bit_Download


https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f9&oe=5C3F8DFD

[Ihaguitar]

Originally Posted by Kumar Littlejeans

Funny you should say that because I personally think this thread should have been on the Steve Hoffman forum.

That's the sad thing really. There are more Pumpkins fans here but they don't care about sound quality like the Hoffman members do.

It's a fucking travesty imo that the hi-res remaster is so squashed, as it could have been excellent. The original mastering was DR13 - imagine how that would have sounded mastered properly in hi-res.

[Ihaguitar]

Originally Posted by Corgan's Bluff

Good Gosh!

Realised an opportunity to get a High Resolution download of Gish on "Acoustic Sounds".
But it's only a 24bit FLAC with 44kHz sampling frequency.
Wasn't there a 96kHz version...?

And there could be local destrictions according the distribution.

http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/11...24bit_Download


https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f9&oe=5C3F8DFD

In all honesty just get it through illegitimate means. I wouldn't pay for a copy with a reduced sample frequency. You're better with the original two masterings anyway if you value dynamics.

Should it not say 44.1KHz anyway?

[srt4b]

Which version is the one on all the streaming services?

[Ihaguitar]

Originally Posted by srt4b

Which version is the one on all the streaming services?

Probably a 16bit 44.1KHz version of the 2011 remaster. This one:

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/view/141021

[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by Ihaguitar

In all honesty just get it through illegitimate means. I wouldn't pay for a copy with a reduced sample frequency. You're better with the original two masterings anyway if you value dynamics.

Should it not say 44.1KHz anyway?

Once wanted to order Pink Floyd's limited "Wish You Were Here" SACD from Acoustic Sounds:

I went through the ordering process when they couldn't directly tell me the shipping costs to Germany. Got an email over a week later about it.


In the meantime I had bought it at an Ebay-dealer from the Netherlands...

[FoolofaTook]

Maybe you shouldn't live in Germany?