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11-24-2006, 11:27 PM | #1 |
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This might sound a little weird, but Re: Hummer
If anyone here has ever read and analyzed John Stuart Mills "Utilitarianism" essay...it is basically the song Hummer.
The essay argues that people go through different phases of happiness, and that higher degrees of happiness are better for you, but also require some sort of pain upon yourself. People who reach their happiest states because of more intellectual realsons are actually less content than those who take happiness in insignificant things, because they realize the limitations on life, but it's better to be a human that is unsatisfied with life than it is to be a pig that is satisfied (because they have this dreamy little picture of life, they're blissfully ignorant of the realities). I know most of you probably won't care , but as I sat through my political theory course that came to mind, and maybe some of you will find it of some interest...though I doubt Billy was thinking of Mill while he was doing acid and writing Hummer. Last edited by the_marked : 11-24-2006 at 11:39 PM. |
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11-24-2006, 11:50 PM | #2 |
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but did you get head
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11-25-2006, 07:20 AM | #3 |
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i think you read too deeply into the song, t_m.
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11-25-2006, 08:47 AM | #4 |
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Interesting read that, ive read some things along the lines while doing philosophy that branced to physchology.
In this song its got other themes that point to an overall feel that he is entrenched in his ways. But it comes off as more scared of being happy and unrelenting analyzation of whats right to do/feel. The way you had written that his song relates to the piece you read would make it seem intentional. I find that highly unlikely, i think its more just Billy's life experience affecting his judgement and an honest statement of uncertainty. |
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11-25-2006, 09:43 AM | #5 |
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i have read John Stuart Mills "Utilitarianism" essay but neglected to analyze it.
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11-25-2006, 10:41 AM | #6 |
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no one care
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11-25-2006, 10:49 AM | #7 | |
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11-25-2006, 05:19 PM | #8 |
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I think it should be pointed out that only a small part of the essay deals with higher and lower pleasures in an attempt to take the edge off hedonistic interpretations of Utilitarianism.
And i really dont see Hummer as an analogue to the essay. Im assuming that you are interpreting 'the ways of sin' as base pleasures ( consider also that there are many complex and intellectually rewarding ways to sin ), but i see no indication that he's moving onto anything more enriching, hell it reads like he's just kicking his heels in misery. |
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11-25-2006, 05:34 PM | #9 | |
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11-25-2006, 05:40 PM | #10 |
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but did you get head?
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11-25-2006, 05:41 PM | #11 | |
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11-25-2006, 05:52 PM | #12 |
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so what's the difference between isle and izzle?
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11-25-2006, 06:57 PM | #13 | |
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I'm not alluding to 'ways of sin' at all...the basic definition of utilitarianism from Bentham is that we should achieve the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people...so if some people are happy playing Tetris, and some are happy listening to Mozart, so be it...as long as they are happy. Mill deviates from this, and would argue that those playing Tetris are not going to be as happy as those listening to Mozart (presumably because Mill was raised and bred to be an intellectual, and there is no evidence that he ever experienced simple pleasures in life - booze/partying/sex/intellectually devoid activites). The problem with these high levels of happiness is that it makes a person less content as they realize how little they can do in life. That is what I am comparing to Hummer. k i'm going to get a life now... |
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11-25-2006, 07:07 PM | #14 | |
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11-25-2006, 07:19 PM | #15 |
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interesting story!
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11-25-2006, 10:29 PM | #16 | |
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Happiness will make you wonder Will I feel OK? It scares the disenchanted Far away I see where you are coming from, i would only say that perhaps he was referring to dips down to baser delights like drugs and alcohol, or other base contentments like being in a warm cosy bed with a lover, and the fear of returning to normality. Billy Corgan you're terrible unclear with your ideas. Fuck you. |
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11-25-2006, 11:31 PM | #17 |
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Not to mention, "Life's a bummer when you're a hummer"
I've always read that as meaning that life sucks when you're a person who's easily satisfied. It sucks to be someone who is content humming instead of someone who goes out and will sing. Or something. |
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11-26-2006, 05:37 PM | #20 |
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11-26-2006, 09:42 PM | #21 | |
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