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10-16-2019, 10:26 PM | #481 |
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If Billy was smart, he'd release the final concert at the Metro from 2000 as an accompanying DVD along with the "unreleased" album of Machina 2... That would actually probably move a decent number of units. Anything less wouldn't be worth the effort.
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10-17-2019, 12:52 AM | #482 |
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by the time this shit comes out, "units" won't even be a relevant term of measurement
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10-17-2019, 01:49 AM | #483 |
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If and when the Machina box set comes out it will move maybe a thousand units or so. It's not going to be a big seller. Machina was a low selling album to begin with. He pretty much said it best himself about the album in this wiki blurb:
"Corgan, in 2008, summarized the failures of the album: "I think the combination of the band breaking up during that record, D'arcy leaving the band... Korn was huge at the time, Limp Bizkit was huge at the time, so the album wasn't heavy enough. It wasn't alternative enough, it was sort of caught between the cracks. And it was a concept record, which nobody understood. So the combination of those elements was a career-killer... Adore didn't alienate the audience, they were just sort of like, 'Oh, it's not the record I want.' [Machina] alienated people.” |
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10-17-2019, 08:40 AM | #484 |
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Best guess, 'resequenced' double album will be released on Spotify (etc) 29/02/20 with preorder for £300+ box set direct from Zuzus announced then or a couple of weeks before... which will ship later.
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10-17-2019, 12:20 PM | #485 |
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Just popped in to see if this came out and flopped yet?
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10-17-2019, 12:26 PM | #486 | |
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not a bad guess, wouldn't be thrilled about a $300+ box but that's an agreeable release date at least! |
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10-17-2019, 08:35 PM | #487 |
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Billy is like that one annoying ex-girlfriend who constantly and endlessly over-analyzes everything.
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10-18-2019, 09:56 AM | #488 |
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My approach to Machina is to compile my favourite tracks from 1 and 2 and listen to that. And ignore the others.
Maybe a fully reconfigured album would do it a lot of favours. Macca did that with Red Rose Speedway, and I much prefer the double album version than what was actually released. The sprawling nature of Machina suits a double album; it could've been a killer single album but they chose the wrong songs. |
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10-18-2019, 02:51 PM | #489 |
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It says a lot that Billy thinks Machina wasn’t heavy enough.
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10-18-2019, 03:50 PM | #490 |
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That comment was coming from him in his "give the kids what they want/we surveyed the fans and this is what they asked for..." phase tho, so i'm not sure how much stock I can put in it
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10-18-2019, 04:40 PM | #491 |
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About that Machina reissue...
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10-18-2019, 07:03 PM | #492 |
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10-18-2019, 07:20 PM | #493 |
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if only billy corgan would read netphoria for the advice fuzzyroes has for him
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10-20-2019, 05:26 AM | #494 |
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So it's dead, then.
Also if there's no tour next year, why release as Vol 2 & 3 rather than an album? Such a convoluted, pretentious way of releasing music. And he's sat on a modest goldmine of tracks - if he just y'know... RELEASED THEM FOR SALE. Vinyl, bandcamp, anything. We'll get a flood of box sets once anyone else is in charge of the rights. |
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10-20-2019, 09:13 AM | #495 |
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If Billy were smart, he would simply record songs that are good and that people actually like.. Gossamer, Chicago Kid songs?, etc and put them out as Volume 2.
But alas.. Billy is not smart, so it will be a bunch of Dorian and Seek and You Shall Destroy-type songs thrown together. |
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10-20-2019, 09:55 AM | #496 | |
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Electronic producer Amon Tobin is utilizing Bandcamp amazingly. He has been revealing several different aliases he's created all under his new label Nomark. You can buy a yearlong pass for $60 that let's you download every single release as well as bonus material. If you come in later in the year, you get everything that has been previously released since the start of the year. This began in September and he's already put out 3 albums, a few singles, and a bonus member EP with more aliases having album releases coming up. Each album has its own vinyl Kickstarter thru Bandcamp. He is doing something unique with Bandcamp and it seems to be working. Oh, and downloads are in hi-res. Meanwhile, Billy is waiting on major labels to fund his projects. |
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10-20-2019, 01:25 PM | #497 |
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10-20-2019, 07:05 PM | #498 | |
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Seems to me that it's kind of dumb how he always caters to what he thinks joe-public wants rather than just putting out something that he's personally proud of. But as we know, this fame seeking mindset is nothing new for Billy Corgan. C'est la vie |
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10-20-2019, 08:49 PM | #499 |
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10-20-2019, 10:03 PM | #500 |
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Wasn’t a whole shitload of unreleased music supposed to be released in 2019? I vaguely remember him stating on IG that announcement in late in 2018...like two new albums, so much unreleased stuff it would blow our minds, etc
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10-20-2019, 10:08 PM | #501 |
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Also on Instagram just now he once again stated that a “friend of his says that this solo album might be one of the best things he’s ever made...” which is basically, you know, the kiss of death...albums gonna suck.
FYI for the newbies...he has said that same exact statement prior to all his worst endeavors... |
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10-20-2019, 10:30 PM | #503 |
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That's the thing about it. I think the guy's having big problems with writing songs, so even though the material takes ages to get released, he probably has to conserve what material he does have. I assume that's why the reunion album had songs from the scrapped 2nd volume of what was supposed to be the Monuments series.
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10-20-2019, 10:33 PM | #504 | |
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It's odd. I almost think he does it to try and light a fire under his ass, but then it never ends up working. |
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10-21-2019, 02:29 AM | #505 |
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He's releasing his solo album in November, which is a double LP (17 songs). Then Vol 2 and Vol 3 will be released next year, which is another double album (23 songs at the moment). Apparently, the band won't tour next year.
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10-21-2019, 06:12 AM | #506 |
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He was referring to unreleased older material. Not new material.
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10-21-2019, 06:43 PM | #507 |
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what's the release date for the solo album???
i don't think the problem is the songwriting, but the production & studio. he's too hung up on writing hits... it's no his strong suit anyways. just put out albums. make them all double albums, triple albums. overload us with material. |
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10-22-2019, 10:09 AM | #509 |
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In his Instagram stories he keeps saying it'll likely be out before the tour starts, and the first date is, what, beginning of November? So like any day now if things don't inevitably fall through.
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10-22-2019, 10:03 PM | #510 |
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It's up!
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