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Old 10-14-2009, 07:20 AM   #61
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There are arguments for objectivity in art.
No shit?

Can you name a good one?

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Old 10-14-2009, 07:36 AM   #62
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This. What is it exactly that places Aeroplane on top of every other "greatest albums of all time" list made by hipsters? Is it the lyrics? If its that earth-shatteringly brilliant, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on here.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:52 AM   #63
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you're doing a terrible job of it. stop trolling and get out

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:15 AM   #64
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RHCP for sure

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:37 AM   #65
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YES. THAT.

fucking fuck, i hate RHCP.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:43 AM   #66
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Get out? Shouldn't that be get off?

It's online and offline, yes? Or is it inline and outline? Do enlighten.
out. of the thread. enlightened?

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:03 AM   #67
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the beatles, bob dylan, rolling stones, the byrds.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:46 PM   #68
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Tool
RHCP
Kiss
Neil Young
U2
The Clash (if you consider them highly regarded)
Elvis

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:17 PM   #69
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how people can't enjoy the stones and the who is beyond me.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:18 PM   #70
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oh yeah: Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:26 PM   #71
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any minimalist contemporary indie band that the pitchfork crowd jizzes over

i'd name names but i'm afraid to because i aspire to sit at the cool kid's table some day

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:47 PM   #72
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oh yeah: Radiohead
I see where you're coming from. I used to despise them. I like them now, but their drooling legion of cock-sucking hipster doofuses still pisses me off.

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YES. THAT.

fucking fuck, i hate RHCP.
AGREED. FUCK THAT SHIT. especially that new song about coke. so stupid.

I'll say Guns n Roses and all that stupid bullshit (poison, etc).

Never really listened to Kiss

Metallica has some good songs but their sound doesn't change much

Kind of surprised to see Pink Floyd on here. I guess if you didn't smoke weed in high school, there's a chance you won't like them (sort of joking on stereotypes here but not completely). I can see how they could be perceived as boring but they're still one of my favorites.


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it makes me sad in my heart to see so many people saying they can't get into neutral milk hotel.
I tried once and they didn't really do anything for me. I'll try again though.

Joy Division and Slint aren't for everybody but they're among my favorites.

I just got into the Pixies in the last year or two, but if you've heard them I can't see how you wouldn't like them.

Did I see the Clash on here? They're fucking awesome!

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:49 PM   #73
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any minimalist contemporary indie band that the pitchfork crowd jizzes over
this too

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:57 PM   #74
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No shit?

Can you name a good one?
I was just stating it in light of I'm Hardcore's assertion that art is subjective and therefore opinion on it does not require any justification beyond emotivism.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:01 PM   #75
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I was just stating it in light of I'm Hardcore's assertion that art is subjective and therefore opinion on it does not require any justification beyond emotivism.
because clearly that is wrong! SO WRONG!

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:08 PM   #76
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because clearly that is wrong! SO WRONG!
Hey moron, I was just playing devil's advocate. I was just pointing out there is a way of looking at things where "because I feel that way" isn't a good reason.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:29 PM   #77
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:38 PM   #78
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Get out? Shouldn't that be get off?

It's online and offline, yes? Or is it inline and outline? Do enlighten.
the further i went into this thread the more this guys shitty posts continued to spiral out of control

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:09 PM   #79
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how people can't enjoy the stones and the who is beyond me.
killed to death by radio play, i can' stand SRV either... stupid classic rock station.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:20 PM   #80
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Hey moron, I was just playing devil's advocate. I was just pointing out there is a way of looking at things where "because I feel that way" isn't a good reason.
it is a perfectly good reason when it comes to the arts

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:12 PM   #81
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RHCP are often highly regarded? I don't feel that they are.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 04:36 PM   #82
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I was just stating it in light of I'm Hardcore's assertion that art is subjective and therefore opinion on it does not require any justification beyond emotivism.
I know, but I could say 'there are arguments' in favour of any point I wanted to make but that deosn't mean there are any good ones.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:04 PM   #83
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[A=Trotskilicious;3563018]samuel redman stinks[/quote]

he is not a band

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:10 PM   #84
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This. What is it exactly that places Aeroplane on top of every other "greatest albums of all time" list made by hipsters? Is it the lyrics? If its that earth-shatteringly brilliant, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on here.
i'll give this a shot and try my best not to sound like a huge douchebag in the process

on a musical level: the album makes great use of atmosphere. parts of the album are bathed in a very pretty overdriven fuzz (holland, 1945), some parts which make great and tasteful use of brass (the fool), some parts which are front loaded with treble (in the aeroplane over the sea), some parts which are stripped down completely with a lot of empty spaces (oh comely), and some parts which manage to have two or more of these things going on simultaneously (untitled)...and regardless of what type of atmosphere is being employed on a track-to-track basis (or in some cases, a second-to-second basis), it always sounds like the right choice, and the transitions between these varying atmospheres is extremely well done. the result is a sound that's fairly unique despite its use of several familiar elements.

i love the mix of instruments as well...it's a good mix of old-timey (the brass and the occasional use of organ or bagpipes) and modern (guitar, keyboard, obvious use of distortion, etc).

as far as lyrics and content go, and the emotional weight the album carries: it's no secret that a lot of the inspiration for the album stems from the holocaust; jeff magnum has mentioned anne frank specifically, iirc, and rightfully so...because despite the overwhelmingly bleak and sad subject matter of the album, there is this sort of starry-eyed, youthful optimism which manages to shine through at different points, and in a very realistic, tasteful, powerful, non-overstated, non-tacky way (you know, the exact opposite of that abysmal "alive with the glory of love" song by say anything). as a result, the reprisal of "two-headed boy" about two-thirds of the way through the final track is one of my favorite "..holy shit" moments in all of music.

the lyrics are abstract--there's no way to get around it--and this is probably one of the biggest hurdles as far as liking the album goes...but honestly, i've never found them to be overly vague or distracting in the least. there are certainly small sections where i don't have the slightest fucking clue what he's talking about or referring to, but the same could be said about damn near any other musician at some point or another. it might just be an acquired taste thing, or one of those things that some people just don't "get" (and i don't mean "get" in any sort of elitist, you're just not on my level maaaan kind of way).

honestly...just listen to it with headphones on from beginning to end and pay close attention. if it doesn't hit you the first time through, give it another shot in a few days. if you still don't feel anything, i guess it's just not for you.

i think i succeeded in explaining my position, but i definitely failed at not sounding like a douchebag. i apologize.

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Old 10-14-2009, 05:14 PM   #85
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I was just stating it in light of I'm Hardcore's assertion that art is subjective and therefore opinion on it does not require any justification beyond emotivism.
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:17 PM   #86
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This. What is it exactly that places Aeroplane on top of every other "greatest albums of all time" list made by hipsters? Is it the lyrics? If its that earth-shatteringly brilliant, I'd like to know what I'm missing out on here.
your judgement is clearly being clouded by your prejudice against "hipsters".


seriously why the fuck do people keep replying on that "oh fucking hipsters look at them being so indie and hip and douchey" schtick . BORING. Come up with a new argument, please.

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:19 PM   #87
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dude 1 - "hey dude, check out this Beethoven CD. I think you'd really like it"

dude 2 - "nahhhh man, Beethoven? Thats what those old people listen to. Goddamn old people. If they like it, it's gotta suck."

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:21 PM   #88
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your judgement is clearly being clouded by your prejudice against "hipsters".


seriously why the fuck do people keep replying on that "oh fucking hipsters look at them being so indie and hip and douchey" schtick . BORING. Come up with a new argument, please.
i don't know man i can relate with that

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:25 PM   #89
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i just don't understand how being liked by a certain subculture can detract from the music itself

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:39 PM   #90
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I seem to recall something said about artists that are highly regarded amongst pre-teens.

 
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