The new NOFX album First Ditch Effort

[FlamingGlobes]

I always found it amusing when kids at the time were accusing them of selling out with American Idiot, like how quaint, I remember when they were sell-outs for Dookie.

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

and he is the same kind of guy who will talk shit on Taylor Swift and other pop acts

Can we forget about the things fuzzy said (and pissed on) when he was drunk?

[Elphenor]

American Idiot was not a sell out record anymore than Dookie was take that to mean what you want

[Elphenor]

it's not like they were anything but a run of the mill punk rock revival group prior to becoming a mainstream major label rock band honestly was the best thing that could happen for their music

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

American Idiot was not a sell out record anymore than Dookie was take that to mean what you want

Yeah, I agree.

[Elphenor]

It's funny because Gilman was a pretty good scene and basically everyone that came out of it, save for like Rancid, was a more exciting band than Green Day

but fuzzy is only going to be familiar with the two that made $$$$$$

[Elphenor]

[run2pee]

Tell me more about Gillman, I know nothing of this scene

In particular, I'm curious what it smelled like

Also, how were the haircuts? Were the parents properly scandalized?

And don't forget to tell: Was the face of the landscape of music altered forever? Did any laws get changed?

[Elphenor]

wellllll it was an all ages venue and the bands reflect that take that to mean what you want

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by october

I love this album. Best collection of music they've put out since Wolves. The first 5 or so tracks kick a lot of ass and I think there's only like 1 or two so-so tunes on the record. Melvin seems to know how to sing now, that cool. Smelly has a drum solo, pretty rad. Hefe' does his usual trumpet and vox back ups, a few kick ass leads as well. Fatty sings like shit but with more emotion than anything he's done for awhile. Oh sobriety.

Yeah dude! I was frankly a little nervous because their last album (self-titled) was the first modern NOFX album that I really wasn't all that into, but this albums surpassed all expectations. I really think there is a lot of evolution here and a clearly darker tone with the most honest lyrics he's ever written.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

It's something that doesn't matter if the music is still something you like but fuzzy is under the illusion that Dookie wasn't a major label heavily produced grammy winning alternative album or something

in other words at some point there was a guy in a suit changing their music to make it more popular

I don't really think there was all that much contrived with Dookie. I mean if you listen to Kerplunk and 1039 smoothed out slappy hours then you'd realize that there was never really a conscious shift in sound once they signed with a major label.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

and he is the same kind of guy who will talk shit on Taylor Swift and other pop acts

Just cause music falls under the "pop" umbrella doesn't mean that it's automatically comparable you simpleton.

[Elphenor]

that's true and all but Green Day is still no better than Britney Spears

just because they play distorted guitars doesn't mean they have any merit as artistic music that's something you need to understand

[Elphenor]

I've had several opportunities to see NOFX I always considered it but was like nah that's okay

they were/are pretty big in San Diego bro center of America

[Rairun]

Dookie was everyday music about/for a certain type of 13-year-old boy, and I can still sort of appreciate it for what it is. The thing that annoyed me about American Idiot was that it was a pretty shameless attempt at riding the zeitgeist of the Iraq War, like "this is our chance to be the cultural icons of this generation (or at least make a lot of money trying)."

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

that's true and all but Green Day is still no better than Britney Spears

just because they play distorted guitars doesn't mean they have any merit as artistic music that's something you need to understand

Do you write this shit with a straight face?

[Elphenor]

I thought we were in agreement about this actually

[FlamingGlobes]

I don't think we are, at all.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

that's true and all but Green Day is still no better than Britney Spears

just because they play distorted guitars doesn't mean they have any merit as artistic music that's something you need to understand

My goodness man. I would have no doubt that you were just a troll if I actually didn't know any better.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by Rairun

Dookie was everyday music about/for a certain type of 13-year-old boy, and I can still sort of appreciate it for what it is.

Wrong. It's definitely an exuberant youthful album made by guys in their early 20's but it's not the Blink 182 kind of shit that was targeted for 13 year olds by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't think lyrics like these are exactly the type of thing that pre-teens and 13 year olds really connect with:

Do you ever think back to another time?
Does it bring you so down that you thought you lost your mind?
Do you ever want to lead a long trail of destruction
And mow down any bullshit that confronts you?
Do you ever build up all the small things in your head?
To make one problem that adds up to nothing
To me it's nothing


A gunshot rings out at the station
Another urchin snaps and left dead on his own
It makes me wonder why I'm still here
For some strange reason it's now
Feeling like my home
And I'm never gonna go

Now compare that with the Green Day knock-off that was designed to appeal to Green Days young fan base: Blink 182:

I'll think about the times
She kissed me after class
And she put up with my friends
I acted like an ass
I'd ditch my lecture to watch the girls play soccer
Is my picture still hanging in her locker?

Get real man.

[redbreegull]

Green Day's average fan, at least at the release of American Idiot, was almost certainly 15 years old

[Elphenor]

fuzzy telling me to get real man I fucking lost it

[Elphenor]

fuzzyroes goes around proving my belief that dumb people like dumb music

is it at all surprising that this Trump supporter's idea of punk is NOFX

[redbreegull]

if anything the Blink kids were the "rougher" more street smart kids because Blink is way more rated R than Green Day

[redbreegull]

also the guys from NOFX would probably spit on a fan who told them he was a Trump supporter

[fuzzyroes]

yeah dude. Online Songs is so adult

[ButtHash]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

if anything the Blink kids were the "rougher" more street smart kids because Blink is way more rated R than Green Day

Nah, cus the Green Day guy was a legitimate druggie and shit. blink-182 was singing about sodomizing dogs and shit.

I prefer Blink if I'm listening to this sort of stuff because they know their way around a sticky simple melody. But I relate more to Green Day guy's degenerate nature. But most of their album stuff is filler with some great stuff inbetween. They didn't have the pop sensibilities of blink-182.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by ButtHash

Nah, cus the Green Day guy was a legitimate druggie and shit. blink-182 was singing about sodomizing dogs and shit.

I prefer Blink if I'm listening to this sort of stuff because they know their way around a sticky simple melody. But I relate more to Green Day guy's degenerate nature. But most of their album stuff is filler with some great stuff inbetween. They didn't have the pop sensibilities of blink-182.

I don't know anything about anyone in these bands. But in my experience, Green Day was definitely more for straight edge trust fund kids, Blink was for weed smoking hooligans who would vandalize public property and cause a scene in the mall and then run from security

[redbreegull]

basically Green Day kids lost their virginity on prom night

Blink kids lost their virginity behind a strip mall in 7th grade

[Elphenor]

elitism