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Old 07-25-2009, 06:31 PM   #151
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kinda weak dude
Gah. There is much wisdom in the biblical proverb:


Ecclesiastes 10.12-15
The words of a wise man’s mouth are gracious,
But the lips of a fool shall swallow him up;
The words of his mouth begin with foolishness,
And the end of his talk is raving madness.
A fool also multiplies words.
No man knows what is to be;
Who can tell him what will be after him?
The labor of fools wearies them,
For they do not even know how to go to the city!


The point being that wasting my words on someone who doesn't care to hear, is not paying attention and has no desire to do anything but projectile-vomit out of his own foolery is wasteful and degrading. If he actually believed half of the similar tripe he wrote about me, he would have done the same thing. I have not shied away in the past about answering people for eleven pages of me/them exchanges if they are willing to contribute to a mutually beneficial searching of truth. But such an exchange with this guy at the present time has no redeeming value.

 
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:02 PM   #152
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I thought it was necessary to teach you some political science, so I responded.

 
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:09 PM   #153
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Also I've read John Stuart Mill.















...In my sophomore year of college.

 
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:24 PM   #154
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Did you read the article? They're trying to NOT pay for everyone in England.

Also it's not just the taxes, it's that anything we let the government run is shit. Everything. You want hospitals that work like the DMV, by all means, let the government run them.

If you are equating the drive of a DMV worker to the drive of a doctor, you are sorely confused about life.

 
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:28 PM   #155
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suncrashesdown,

i think part of the problem is that our education system indoctrinates as opposed to educates about many things, in particular the issue of health care.

If health care is a right, then why not a House or a Dodge Viper?


Point is this with health care, there is no natural market flow to any of it. My step-mother is the Head Nurse at Stanford Hospital and occasionally we talk shop and I ask questions.

Just today I found out that if you're uninsured and you get a service that cost, say $5000, the hospital expects that money from you like yesterday. Meanwhile, that same procedure with the same cost to someone who has insurance, will be negotiated by the insurance company and the hospital and will be reduced to about $500 in which the individual would pay about 20% of that...and at that, the insurance company will be late in payments to the hospital, which perpetuates the policy of an inflated retail cost of procedures to the uninsured.

They're needs to be more natural retail cost to procedures, but that doesn't exist in the current system and won't exist in a Universal one either.

Even with insurance, if your provider doesn't have deals set-up with a certain lab that will run a test, you bare the brunt of the inflated cost because your provider doesn't have negotiating rights with that lab.
Oh look, you just made an argument FOR a govt run plan! Legislature to average out things to a real cost would stop the poor and formerly uninsured from being fucked. But hey, fuck the poor right?

 
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:28 PM   #156
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Gah. There is much wisdom in the biblical proverb:


Ecclesiastes 10.12-15
The words of a wise man’s mouth are gracious,
But the lips of a fool shall swallow him up;
The words of his mouth begin with foolishness,
And the end of his talk is raving madness.
A fool also multiplies words.
No man knows what is to be;
Who can tell him what will be after him?
The labor of fools wearies them,
For they do not even know how to go to the city!


The point being that wasting my words on someone who doesn't care to hear, is not paying attention and has no desire to do anything but projectile-vomit out of his own foolery is wasteful and degrading. If he actually believed half of the similar tripe he wrote about me, he would have done the same thing. I have not shied away in the past about answering people for eleven pages of me/them exchanges if they are willing to contribute to a mutually beneficial searching of truth. But such an exchange with this guy at the present time has no redeeming value.
I doubt Trots is christian.

 
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Old 07-26-2009, 03:28 AM   #157
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good bet

i just cut a huge fart

seriously the smell is grossing me out and i usually don't mind my own farts

 
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:29 AM   #158
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good bet

i just cut a huge fart

seriously the smell is grossing me out and i usually don't mind my own farts
open a window or a door dude. I feel the same way when people quote the bible to me.

 
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:12 PM   #159
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good bet

i just cut a huge fart

seriously the smell is grossing me out and i usually don't mind my own farts
Let the free market take care of it.

 
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:00 AM   #160
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I doubt Trots is christian.
Ecclesiastes was written by Jews.

 
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:14 AM   #161
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If you are equating the drive of a DMV worker to the drive of a doctor, you are sorely confused about life.
I had to check and see what that post from a year and a half ago was in reference to, but we're talking about government doctors now, who will be held at bay by the whims of bureaucrats. Once the profits start to tank you'll see less and less of the best and brightest of our culture willing to shell out the cash and deal with the years of schooling to get that jobs anyway. We'll be left with ... whatever's left.

 
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:13 AM   #162
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yeah don't ask why education costs so much

 
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Old 07-27-2009, 05:57 AM   #163
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yeah don't ask why education costs so much
Physician education is directly related to recouping those costs once one becomes a physician. I realize this is a difficult concept for you to grasp since it took you 7 years to get through your undergrad.

 
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:49 PM   #164
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Ecclesiastes was written by Jews.
Hey Trots, Jc wants to know if you're a Jew...

 
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:47 AM   #165
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lol someone broke out the old testament

 
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Old 07-28-2009, 04:44 PM   #166
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Physician education is directly related to recouping those costs once one becomes a physician. I realize this is a difficult concept for you to grasp since it took you 7 years to get through your undergrad.
that ad hominem attack really furthers your point. good work!

 
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:31 AM   #167
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Universal Healthcare is Wonderful and Will Ensure Better Health care for everyone
Yes, it will.

 
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Old 08-04-2009, 12:54 AM   #168
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I'm an historian.

 
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Old 08-05-2009, 12:20 PM   #169
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thanks for weighing in, 3dfan

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:22 AM   #170
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First comment: "The insurance industry owns the Republican Party."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...a6d3970b-800wi
Looks to me like they donate who whomever controls Congress

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:23 AM   #171
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Sorry I just love pointing out when Olbermann lies, blatantly and then bases an entire rant on it.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:08 AM   #172
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half of his rant was directed at democrats

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:25 AM   #173
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The Blue Dogs. Olbermann is a bleeding heart liberal - there's no difference than when Limbaugh would go after Arlen Specter.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:26 AM   #174
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The Blue Dogs.
...who are included in that chart.

god you're stupid.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 01:40 PM   #175
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...who are included in that chart.

god you're stupid.
The chart specifically refutes the comment I quoted regardless of whether or not he talks about blue dogs later. He even claims later that "most of the money is going through Republicans." The chart shows that today that is not true.

Seriously dude, try harder.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 02:06 PM   #176
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nimrod posting something from sully? that's definitely an upgrade from your typical sources. kudos.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 02:41 PM   #177
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Is this the same Sully that insisted (insists?) Trig isnt Palins son.

Any chance sully is a 911 truther? When I get the itch to read abovetopsecret maybe Ill just go to him instead.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 03:01 PM   #178
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nimrod posting something from sully? that's definitely an upgrade from your typical sources. kudos.
I agree with Sullivan about half of the time. I don't think I've ever slandered him.

 
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Is this the same Sully that insisted (insists?) Trig isnt Palins son.
That's a mischaracterization.

He only kept pointing out inconsistancies of Palin's story. And he is self aware enough to know that most people think he took his provocative questioning into birther territory behavior -- he would post emails of his detractors on the subject.

In the end, I don't think Sullivan actually believes what you say he believes. I think in the end he just chalked it up to Palin just being an inveterate liar, who lies. about. every. little. thing. in order to self-aggrandize.

Sullivan is one of the most intellectually honest pundits out there.

 
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Old 08-06-2009, 06:06 PM   #180
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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...a6d3970b-800wi
Looks to me like they donate who whomever controls Congress
This chart is quite telling.

I can't believe anyone thinks this kind of healthcare proposal is not favoured by the biggest and most politically connected insurance and healthcare providers.

Watch The Aviator to understand more on how "government service" really means giving money and market power to corporations.

 
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