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Gish 24 53.33%
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:47 PM   #481
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is anything on Machina as good as Tristessa. or snail.
I'd say a fair bunch of tracks give Snail a run for its money or are better, and there's a good handful of tracks on MI or MII I guess I'd prefer to listen to Tristessa over.

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:21 PM   #482
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Like what?? I need details

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 01:22 PM   #483
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Gish has better energy, by far. Sounds more like a band

But machina has waaaaaaaaay more developed songwriting and more diversity of noises, so for me it edges or just rubs out gish by like a couple droplets

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:26 PM   #484
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Gish/adore/mcis/SD/PI/aeroplane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machina

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:46 PM   #485
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:55 PM   #486
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:17 PM   #487
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Gish/adore/mcis/SD/PI/aeroplane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machina
C’mon let’s face it at the end of the day youre telling us u never had a Slow DAWN where you go home, reclaim your innosence, and then let me give the world to your vanity?

Plus not even WOUND though? Not even Standing Inside the Spotlight of Your Mother’s Love with very Light that shining down onto you In Your Body?

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:52 PM   #488
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Wound alone is better than anything on Gish, and I love Gish.

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:58 PM   #489
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now you know what would be a good poll?

pre-gish vs machina ii

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:03 PM   #490
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Pre-Gish vs. Machina pre-master

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:19 PM   #491
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now you know what would be a good poll?

pre-gish vs machina ii
still scared to make it

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:19 PM   #492
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i'm voting pre-gish though

 
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:49 PM   #493
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pre-gish probably wins that one

 
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Old 01-13-2019, 09:58 AM   #494
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Machina is like my first born. It got me into this band and it sticks with me still.

Sorry.

 
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:12 AM   #495
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Oh I thought you were going to say you offered it up to Moloch.

 
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:41 PM   #496
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got into the band with Machina? n00b

 
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:18 PM   #497
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now you know what would be a good poll?

pre-gish vs machina ii
your dads pole was pretty good too

 
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:42 PM   #498
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:24 AM   #499
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i got into SP during Zeitgeist era, but my first album was Adore

even so, my pole is better than that of Took's daddy

 
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:06 AM   #500
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Machina has higher highs but lower lows

 
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C’mon let’s face it at the end of the day youre telling us u never had a Slow DAWN where you go home, reclaim your innosence, and then let me give the world to your vanity?

Plus not even WOUND though? Not even Standing Inside the Spotlight of Your Mother’s Love with very Light that shining down onto you In Your Body?
slow dawn, vanity, stand inside your love and maybe in my body are good, probably the best tracks from both machina's, along with a handful of others, but nothing reaches the heights they achieved before that. add to that a whole lot of mediocre songs and a fair amount of godawful ones, overall terrible production and just the endless dragging of the whole thing, not to mention the cringey lyrics and the fucking machina mystery and it's fair to say both the albums are really bad.

heavy metal machine, sacred and profane, crying tree are absolutely terrible. hardly any redeeming qualities in the first place, also as if that's not bad enough the songs are stretched out to a ridiculous extent. hey guys hmm is only 4 minutes long, let's add the chorus again. and again! and then let's add multiple, even worse versions on m2.

glass and the ghost children has awesome atmosphere, moreso than the other aspects like chord progression or singing melody. but then there has to be a minute or two of the sound of billy talking to his therapist. the therapist had to be rolling his eyes when hearing that pretentious bullshit but billy thought it was good enough to put it in the middle of a song, for the whole world to hear.

I remember really trying to like it when it came out and the first few years after that and I kind of did, although the disappointment after the earlier albums always prevailed. on listening occasions later in my life I disliked most of it and I still try it once in every few years and I usually end up asking myself why.

I don't completely hate everything about it, I like aforementioned songs and glass' theme, dross, age of innocence. I love the superhuman drumming on TEG and cash car star. and some other aspects. but the bad outweighs the good by a big margin.

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Wound alone is better than anything on Gish, and I love Gish.
song bores me.

 
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sounds like a personal problem

 
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and what the FUCK is people's deal with Sacred + Profane? do y'all just pick track titles at random or something and start talking shit about them? at worst I could see someone deeming it a skipper but it doesn't even approach the levels of being potentially objectionable as HMM or GATGC

frankly i can't believe people still even waste their energy on hating/fighting against anything pre-Zwan by this point. Bill was at least still respectable here

 
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and what the FUCK is people's deal with Sacred + Profane? do y'all just pick track titles at random or something and start talking shit about them? at worst I could see someone deeming it a skipper but it doesn't even approach the levels of being potentially objectionable as HMM or GATGC
to me, it's a nothing song. Nothing happens in it. it's not very happy nor very sad, it doesn't rock yet it's not very gentle either, no memorable melodies or riffs. But yet bill felt the need to stretch it out to 5 minutes or something, whereas it would have outstayed its welcome after half of that

 
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:56 AM   #506
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Sacred and Profane is a horrible load of shit.

HMM and GATGC are singular epic rock near-masterpieces.

 
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depending on your definition of 'near', I agree!

 
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y'all're fucked up!

 
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truly fucked up

 
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:10 AM   #510
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Sacred to me has the ambiguity of sounding celebratory & melancholic at the same time, sometimes more one than the other - a mark of a lot of Bill's best work

plus, it's got that bangin' rhythm underneath it all

I'll chalk it up to you guys being disappointed by Machina on release & never quite overcoming the trauma

 
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