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12-27-2017, 10:11 PM | #1 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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Three Disc Machina
After years of digesting the lyrics on and off, one day after listening to sln's GATMOG compilation a lot of it kinda 'clicked' for me so I decided to take a whack at structuring it into an explicitly plot-oriented way that makes sense, in what i think may be its supposed full rock opera form using:
1 - Billy's chart 2 - His vague plot summary 3 - A lot of white wine to soldier through. Billy probably wrote way too much material. I wouldn't expect the 'double-album' reissue to contain everything here, obviously but I think I'm pretty close to his intended running order in terms of how the story's supposed to go. Call this a bloated extended cut of sorts. I'll try my best to back up what I've placed where if asked, I did this in pieces with extensive notes. Disc 1: 01. Glass' Theme (Intro) 02. The Imploding Voice (Glass gets his mission from the Eye/Radio) 03. Cash Car Star (GATMOG sets out on tour) 04. Stand Inside Your Love (Glass meets June) 05. The Sacred And Profane (Glass enjoys the hedonism June brings into his life and the adulation of his fans) 06. Real Love (Glass starts questioning how it's possible to balance his mission as a holy man while simultaneously enjoying getting laid) 07. Glass + The Ghost Children (Glass discovers June zonked out on heroin) 08. Innosence (Glass starts getting all sanctimonious and messiah-complexy about June's drug problems) 09. Raindrops + Sunshowers (She distances herself from him and their relationship starts disintegrating) 10. Let Me Give The World To You (Glass tells June to get with the program and quit the drugs) 11. Vanity (Glass tries to cut June out of his life) Disc 2: 01. White Spyder (The GATMOG album sells poorly, Glass starts to lose it, vacillates between wanting to ask for her back or not) 02. Lucky 13 (He gets in contact with her again, she gives him shit about being sanctimonious, starting an argument) 03. Dross (Argument continues) 04. Go (Final breakup) 05. Speed Kills (June dies in a car crash) 06. Blue Skies Bring Tears (Glass has a nightmare about the end of the world before the concert the next night) 07. Heavy Metal Machine (Concert starts with Glass shitting on his fans) 08. The Crying Tree Of Mercury (continues expressing his misery and disappointment) 09. Wound (Starts railing at a god he no longer really believes exists) 10. Try, Try, Try (Summarizes the 'mission of love' Glass is supposed to be spreading with his band) 11. This Time (End of the final concert, band breaks up) Disc 3: 01. The Everlasting Gaze (Glass lives in a warehouse alone, forgotten by the public, cursing the Voice/his god) 02. Saturnine (continues losing it, descends into depression) 03. In My Body (cracks and starts grieving) 04. I Of The Mourning (slowly heals, tries to come to terms with what the Voice is asking of him) 05. If There Is A God (tries to reconcile his faith) 06. Slow Dawn (watches people early in the morning, starts undergoing a spiritual change) 07. Home (realizes his mission is to be a wandering prophet, leaves the city) 08. Here's To The Atom Bomb (summary of his message as he starts preaching) 09. With Every Light (End) 10. Age Of Innocence (coda) Another Machina mystery solved 4evr Last edited by Shadaloo : 12-28-2017 at 05:21 AM. |
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12-28-2017, 12:18 AM | #2 | |
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You're missing the crucial point in the story where shit hits the fan with June and the band plays its final show
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12-28-2017, 12:30 AM | #3 |
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12-28-2017, 12:39 AM | #4 |
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Where in the canon are you getting stuff like "The GATMOG album sells poorly"?
Sounds like you are creating your own narratives |
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12-28-2017, 12:57 AM | #5 | |
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…the new album is released and is not well received by the fans or the general public… Corgan's narrative is plainly based off his experience with Adore, which did not live up to expectations in the sales dept. Last edited by Shadaloo : 12-28-2017 at 01:34 AM. |
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12-28-2017, 01:00 AM | #6 |
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These questions were all a test.
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12-28-2017, 01:00 AM | #7 |
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Toots and farts
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12-28-2017, 04:26 AM | #8 |
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Act II - wow that’s a laborious listen.
The reality is 50% of Machina 1&2 is just not good. Most of the heavier tracks specifically. Both versions of BSBT are trash. I recently put together what I consider the definitive one-disc Machina tracklist. It’s what Machina needed to be, to achieve any sort of commercial success - it disregards any sort of the pretentious “narrative mystery” bullshit, turning it into their second-best album outside MCIS. I’m going to post it with it’s own artwork to great fanfare when I can be bothered. |
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12-28-2017, 04:32 AM | #9 |
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Act II would be my favorite of the three acts. I am very interested in your single disc MACHINA configuration.
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12-28-2017, 05:31 AM | #10 | |
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Between the musical climate of the time, the album's overall sound and Bill's lofty aspirations to have it be a full-on rock opera, I don't think there was any real way it would have not tanked. |
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12-28-2017, 05:32 AM | #11 |
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Remember when people thought HMM was the single worst crime Bill committed against music? Those were the days.
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12-28-2017, 11:27 AM | #12 |
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I think the lesson is that Glass is a property developer and people in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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12-28-2017, 02:42 PM | #13 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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I listened to MII again the other night as I was trudging thru snow around the penintentiary (shit's like a fortress: heavy). Anyways when I wasn't being distracted by mental images of Monte spasming out to Glass' Theme (spacey) I tried to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Home, Vanity, Try alt and Speed Kills are top tier TSP. Slow Dawn, Real Love, Dross, BSBT, GO, and Saturnine are good. The rest are ok with a few duds. |
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12-28-2017, 03:47 PM | #14 |
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pretty sure when billy does the reissue we'll find out the real track order..
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12-28-2017, 06:20 PM | #15 |
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SP recorded three discs worth of material, some of it being excellent, some of it being okay, some of it being garbage, and released a single disc album which drew from all three groups.
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12-28-2017, 06:29 PM | #16 |
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12-28-2017, 07:14 PM | #17 |
real estate cowboy
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yeah.
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12-28-2017, 07:15 PM | #18 |
real estate cowboy
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there are not enough good machina tracks to make one decent album.
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12-28-2017, 08:11 PM | #19 | |
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01. Glass' Theme 02. Cash Car Star 03. Dross 04. The Imploding Voice 05. Stand Inside Your Love 06. Lucky 13 07. This Time 08. The Everlasting Gaze 09. I Of The Mourning 10. If There Is A God 11. Here's To The Atom Bomb 12. With Every Light 13. Age Of Innocence honourable mentions I'd ******* but I know they're not other peoples favs: Real Love Let Me Give The World To You Try, Try, Try |
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12-28-2017, 08:17 PM | #20 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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Speed Kills and Home >>>> Soma and Mayo
What now? |
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12-28-2017, 08:17 PM | #21 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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Mood over melody, fools!
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12-28-2017, 09:02 PM | #22 |
Braindead
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Those are four of my favourite SP songs
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12-28-2017, 09:18 PM | #23 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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But witch speed killz? Impossible to choose.
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12-28-2017, 09:23 PM | #24 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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Single B-Side version for me all the way.
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12-28-2017, 09:27 PM | #25 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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I dunno. The spacey one is gorgeous but the heavy is HEAVY.
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12-28-2017, 09:34 PM | #26 |
Braindead
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Machina II by far
Has that monolithic feel |
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12-28-2017, 09:57 PM | #27 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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Purevil feedbackrrr
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12-28-2017, 09:59 PM | #28 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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I fell ill inside eternal winter, winter
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12-28-2017, 10:20 PM | #29 |
Apocalyptic Poster
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They're both great, but I always felt that the somber mood of the b-side/MI version suited the subject matter way better than the rock version.
Where I lived I could never find the single, so I remember having it in crap mp3 quality playing nonstop on winamp back in the day. |
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12-29-2017, 12:43 AM | #30 |
Braindead
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del i changed my mind about almost everything i said
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