International POLITICS - ongoing shitshow edition

[redbreegull]

I say Dems should go big with Gillibrand/Harris in 2020

[run2pee]

Originally Posted by vixnix

Did you guys see that Chomsky interview where he raises he idea that Trump is doing whatever crazy shit he can to keep press attention on him, to distract the population so they don’t notice that his administration is dismantling the last vestiges of American democracy?

I did not see this interview, but of course he’s absolutely correct, i think many ppl believe this also

[run2pee]

It’s not just the news’s fault tho

We won’t read anything that’s fact based or hard

We want to hear lol can u believe the insane ronald mcdonald shit that happened TODAY WOOO IM SO MAD LETS FIGHT

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

people like you have already ruined the united states

and nothing on info wars can be described as credible

Alex has a lot of inside connections to the administration. He wouldn't come out with something like that unless there's smoke.

[Elphenor]

Sanders or bust this time

[fuzzyroes]

Yeah, I'd be down for Sanders.

There needs to be a shakeup. If Hillary Clintons defeat teaches us anything, it's that the cookie-cutter establishment politicians aren't gonna fly next time around. At least I sure hope they don't.

But in politics, often times it's a step forward followed by 2 steps back.

What I've been hearing is that the DNC is really going to make a push for Elizabeth Warren, to this time succeed in getting the first women president elected. Whatever the case, if Pence is seriously gonna be the Republican nominee, the Democrats will find it easy to stroll into the oval office.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Yeah, I'd be down for Sanders.

There needs to be a shakeup. If Hillary Clintons defeat teaches us anything, it's that the cookie-cutter establishment politicians aren't gonna fly next time around. At least I sure hope they don't.

But in politics, often times it's a step forward followed by 2 steps back.

What I've been hearing is that the DNC is really going to make a push for Elizabeth Warren, to this time succeed in getting the first women president elected. Whatever the case, if Pence is seriously gonna be the Republican nominee, the Democrats will find it easy to stroll into the oval office.

Sanders' policies would be in most cases the complete opposite of Trump's, so your position is wildly inconsistent. You are caught in a cult of personality and don't realize it. You talk shit about liberals and yet would be down with one of the most liberal candidates in decades who would seriously be a contender.

[smashingjj]

More socialist than liberal if you ask me but yes

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Fuck... You Hillary Clinton voters are going to be happy. There is a credible report that Trump doesn't wanna run again in 2020. If fucking Mike Pence runs in his spot, then you guys can count me out for being a fan of the Republican movement in 2020.

I just don't think Trump is having a good time and it's obvious there's big issues going down with Melania. I can't see Trump wanting to do that shit until he's 78.

https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-i...ction-in-2020/

An Elizabeth Warren VS Mike Pence election would be terrible for the United States and the rest of the world.

it is not a sports game. stop treating it like it is.

[FlamingGlobes]

Funny thing about people like fuzzy is that even though Hillary lost, they just can't stop invoking her name.

Let it go, rod. I really don't care. Do u?

[redbreegull]

again, fuzzy was politically unconscious before summer of 2015 when snake oil don stroked his small penis ego fragility in the right way and suddenly he thought he was some kind of fuckin authority on politics. remember how he loved trudeau and hated obama and had no idea they are almost exactly the same?

he treats it like a game because that's what it is to him. he doesn't have any kind of real background in politics or policy or even ideology or mythology or narrative or rhetoric so none of this is real in his world. the people who suffer when someone like trump leads, he doesn't care because he's never met them. they aren't in his sphere, so they basically don't exist

[Disco King]

I liked Fuzzy better when he kept his inane opinions to alternative rock music.

[Disco King]

I liked Fuzzy best when I didn't know who he was. Then I encountered him and it ruined everything.

[FlamingGlobes]

I would argue that fuzzy still isn't politically conscious. ¯\_(ツ)_/ ¯

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I say Dems should go big with Gillibrand/Harris in 2020

I know strategists claimed last fall that ticket could win, but currently were are at a point where the main media talkingheads (and by main I mean Fox) casually say things like "but those aren't OUR kids" - and the same bulk that voted Trump agrees.

that a 2x female ticket will lead to anything but another kick in the guts, that I will believe the second it happened.

[redbreegull]

I think the left is suffering from a complete failure of imagination, something Trump does not have a problem with. If we keep playing by the rulebook, we will keep losing. Trump excites people because he is different than anything from before.

Besides, if you analyze who actually voted Trump in and who didn't vote for Clinton, the problem was suppressed liberal turnout and engorged conservative turnout. We probably can't do anything to suppress Trump's cult of personality voters, so we should we looking to bring out the entire base/obama coalition

[redbreegull]

The Dems should also be working to create an image of being the opposite of Trump in every way possible.

[redbreegull]

Liz Warren can be Sec. of State

[Disco King]

It also seems like the corporate dems are still doing everything they can to handicap the actual progressives in the party. They had even proposed a party policy to not let primary candidates say anything that could "hurt" the eventual party nominee's chances in the general election.

I also kinda worry that Trump being so awful will mean that people will be content to have anyone who isn't as bad as Trump, and whoever the next administration is will get a free pass for clearing a very low bar.

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by reprise85

Sanders' policies would be in most cases the complete opposite of Trump's, so your position is wildly inconsistent. You are caught in a cult of personality and don't realize it. You talk shit about liberals and yet would be down with one of the most liberal candidates in decades who would seriously be a contender.

Nope, not true. Trump and Sanders actually ran on a ton of the same things. That's what a lot of people seem to overlook. Their policies on trade were pretty much the same, they're both against the deep state and the government swamp. They both think America interferes around the world too much and want less war whereas someone like Hillary Clinton wanted more war.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot I don't like about Sanders. A lot of his proposals would only make people more reluctant on the government, and that is never the answer. But the guy at least isn't a swamp creature and when compared to these other rotten Democrats, he's the best that the people could hope for.

You can tell by how the Democrats scrambled to sabotage him that he wasn't one of the usual puppets.

Here's one of my political idols, Ron Paul, talking about how they're similar in a lot of ways

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lar-many-ways/

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I think the left is suffering from a complete failure of imagination, something Trump does not have a problem with. If we keep playing by the rulebook, we will keep losing. Trump excites people because he is different than anything from before.

Besides, if you analyze who actually voted Trump in and who didn't vote for Clinton, the problem was suppressed liberal turnout and engorged conservative turnout. We probably can't do anything to suppress Trump's cult of personality voters, so we should we looking to bring out the entire base/obama coalition

I still have no idea why the Democrats were so hell bent on making Hillary Clinton their candidate. Was the strategy to pick the politician with the most baggage they could possibly find? They had a gift horse staring at them with Sanders and then they go and plot against him. Doesn't get any more corrupt than that. It's part of the very essence of why people are fed up with Washington.

[noyen]

why are you allowed to spout your stupid fucking opinion when there is a kid somewhere that is a genius with no access to an emachine but no, you must live on. if there really was a higher power you would have been a stilborn lump of crusty cum.

MAGA

[fuzzyroes]

Originally Posted by FlamingGlobes

Funny thing about people like fuzzy is that even though Hillary lost, they just can't stop invoking her name.

Let it go, rod. I really don't care. Do u?

People don't let it go because most people couldn't believe how passionately liberals seemed to believe in her. I remember when she won the nominee there was people crying tears of joy and so inspired whereas anyone with a little political knowledge was just dumbfounded by the response. It really illuminated how clueless a lot of these liberal types are.

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

People don't let it go because most people couldn't believe how passionately liberals seemed to believe in her. I remember when she won the nominee there was people crying tears of joy and so inspired whereas anyone with a little political knowledge was just dumbfounded by the response. It really illuminated how clueless a lot of these liberal types are.

Trump won. Move on.

[fuzzyroes]

Well, by all accounts and purposes, Hillary is still the face of the Democratic party. No one else has stepped up to take the spotlight.

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Well, by all accounts and purposes, Hillary is still the face of the Democratic party. No one else has stepped up to take the spotlight.

Trump won in 2016. It's 2018. Move on.

[fuzzyroes]

Tell that to the Dems. They're the ones still crying about the defeat.

[FlamingGlobes]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

Tell that to the Dems. They're the ones still crying about the defeat.

And meanwhile, the loser of the 2016 election is occupying an unhealthy amount of real estate in your brain.

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

Besides, if you analyze who actually voted Trump in and who didn't vote for Clinton, the problem was suppressed liberal turnout and engorged conservative turnout. We probably can't do anything to suppress Trump's cult of personality voters, so we should we looking to bring out the entire base/obama coalition

agree on that, but I can only go by the limited pool of people who are allowed to vote in the US that I am talking to about stuff like this.
the majority of them didn't vote the last time, they aren't invested in keeping up with the flavor of the month on the Dem side, and I have serious doubts that "small-scale-names" - to the wider population - like Gillibrand and Harris would get them to vote next time.
Those who voted last time on the Dem side will show up anyway (or so I would hope, who the fuck even knows at this point), but the rest - I don't see what these two names are associated with that would turn non-voters into voters.

in the end it might not matter, and as Disco King said - anyone that isn't Trump might simply be enough. or will have to be enough by the looks of it.

[Elphenor]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I think the left is suffering from a complete failure of imagination, something Trump does not have a problem with. If we keep playing by the rulebook, we will keep losing. Trump excites people because he is different than anything from before.

Besides, if you analyze who actually voted Trump in and who didn't vote for Clinton, the problem was suppressed liberal turnout and engorged conservative turnout. We probably can't do anything to suppress Trump's cult of personality voters, so we should we looking to bring out the entire base/obama coalition

sometimes I wonder if the Democratic leadership wants to win elections, they aren't putting a focus on the things that'll drive a high turnout