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Old 02-11-2014, 09:52 AM   #91
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I don't think James is the biggest piece of shit or whatever. But I find it hard to believe Billy would make up that James didn't say goodbye to him or hid from him on the street.

In recent years, Bilky has changed his tune about d'arcy and he keeps pretty tight lipped about jimmy.

As for the zwan peeps, I believe him fully only because I see how they act interviews with other bands etc.

Billy can be INCREDIBLY BAD but he is pretty honest about it.

Maybe he gave Nicole and Mike the cold shoulder, I don't know. I just find it weird with them. They don't seem the type. FYI Billy is still following mike.

I think to some degree both of them are not really suited to be in a band with Billy's personality. Maybe they are the ones that are upset and not Billy.
James supposedly not saying goodbye to him is the least of their problems. Billy didn't thank D'arcy during his speech either, James did. This argument can go on and on. I'm not going to pretend to know what happened between those two but it's interesting how you just assume that Billy is always the honest one. The only thing I can tell is that he was honestly hurt and angry, that doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong or that things happened as he claimed. His side of the story rarely paints him in a bad light and he still can't resist adding a jab here and there.

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Now this is interesting >>>

Kerry Brown via Instagram >>>

Link:
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All the Billy outcasts are working together now. If there's any truth to the rumors then it's starting to look like only Billy and Jeff are in the band. Billy did say that he didn't want to tour anymore so maybe it doesn't matter.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 10:32 AM   #92
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Um, I am not having an argument, didn't know you were in one. I just said there is two sides to every story. You wanted to blame billy for all the issues. I said that those people were probably at fault too, you wanted specifics. I never said billy was fully honest about everything, you are exagerating. I guess a realistic version of him is hard to swallow.

I believe Nicole and Mike didn't do anything that could anger corgan, and corgan has not removed them from his twitter etc. Maybe they are mad at him or maybe he has no hard feelings and just sent them packing for a change.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 10:41 AM   #93
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Um, I am not having an argument, didn't know you were in one.
When two people are exchanging opposite views it's called an argument.

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I just said there is two sides to every story. You wanted to blame billy for all the issues.
No. I was saying that there is more than just Billy's side of the story. I didn't blame blame Billy for all the issues, I said that he contributed to a lot of those issues.

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you wanted specifics.
No I didn't. I don't know where in my posts you could have assumed that.

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I never said billy was fully honest about everything, you are exagerating. I guess a realistic version of him is hard to swallow.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:16 AM   #94
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When two people are exchanging opposite views it's called an argument.
dis·cus·sion
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the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

ar·gu·ment
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an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.


I didn't find this heated or angry, did you?


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No. I was saying that there is more than just Billy's side of the story. I didn't blame blame Billy for all the issues, I said that he contributed to a lot of those issues.
No your words were: "Because Billy is a saint? Other than Jimmy's, and perhaps D'arcy's, drug problems in the 90's, I can't think of any problems that Billy didn't also contribute to. He's just as guilty when it comes to his problems with James, he wasn't exactly the loyal and supportive friend that he prefers think of himself as. I also think Billy is mainly to blame for Jimmy's last departure."

Mainly to blame, guilty, you can't think of any problems that Billy didn't also contribute to.

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You wrote this: "James supposedly not saying goodbye to him is the least of their problems. Billy didn't thank D'arcy during his speech either, James did. This argument can go on and on. I'm not going to pretend to know what happened between those two but it's interesting how you just assume that Billy is always the honest one. The only thing I can tell is that he was honestly hurt and angry, that doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong or that things happened as he claimed. His side of the story rarely paints him in a bad light and he still can't resist adding a jab here and there."




If you don't want to discuss this anymore don't return a response.

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Old 02-11-2014, 11:23 AM   #95
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I'm going to suppose that they're just off the payroll while things are on hiatus. and considering how little they were making they're probably cheesed about the turn of events. should billy really be paying them aside from their Oceania album sales royalty payment?
maybe billy just gave them a big "I dunno what's going to happen"...

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:27 AM   #96
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Now this is interesting >>>

Kerry Brown via Instagram >>>

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I asked Kerry for more info.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/58...90/33/eqa9.png

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:39 AM   #97
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I'm going to suppose that they're just off the payroll while things are on hiatus. and considering how little they were making they're probably cheesed about the turn of events. should billy really be paying them aside from their Oceania album sales royalty payment?
maybe billy just gave them a big "I dunno what's going to happen"...
No I don't think so, they are hired hands and not partners and Billy himself probably doesn't get paid except for royalties etc.

Doesn't it seem like all members, including Corgan are looking for an alt revenue stream?

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:07 PM   #98
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I'm going to suppose that they're just off the payroll while things are on hiatus. and considering how little they were making they're probably cheesed about the turn of events. should billy really be paying them aside from their Oceania album sales royalty payment?
maybe billy just gave them a big "I dunno what's going to happen"...
You really think they were making that little?

You'd have to think they were raking in some pretty nice coin doing some of those big festival gigs.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:22 PM   #99
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Can you ask him via Twitter if there's a track on the album where Nicole plays bass
and Jimmy plays drums (on the same track) ?

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:24 PM   #100
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billy hates festival gigs, especially when they're not headlining. I bet the festival gigs last year funded the rest of their tour

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:26 PM   #101
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too bad about Nicole, I thought she was a good fit. her vocal harmonies were the best thing about sp3.
This

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:35 PM   #102
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If this line-up is done it's probably all about money. The band members would only earn royalties off Oceania and the tour DVD, and neither has sold very well. When they're on tour they probably are payed per diem. And my guess is that isn't much.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:38 PM   #103
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Can you ask him via Twitter if there's a track on the album where Nicole plays bass
and Jimmy plays drums (on the same track) ?
I asked but he hasn't answered yet.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:48 PM   #104
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I asked but he hasn't answered yet.
Thanks for asking.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:33 PM   #105
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I don't think we will get an answer and to be honest I don't think it matters because it isn't like they are playing together live or they are parts written by her.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:36 PM   #106
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If this line-up is done it's probably all about money. The band members would only earn royalties off Oceania and the tour DVD, and neither has sold very well. When they're on tour they probably are payed per diem. And my guess is that isn't much.
i know billy's being cheap but per diem only? getthefuckouttahere.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:38 PM   #107
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my guess is they're under contract.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:51 PM   #108
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Now this is interesting >>>

Kerry Brown via Instagram >>>

Greatest time in the studio with @xocoleyf & @ttmeade tonight! Can't wait for you all to hear this track the great Jimmy Chamberlin killed the drum track!!
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:31 PM   #109
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juliana, please never write "exclusive" with six Us because someone responded to your twitter question

thank you

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:32 PM   #110
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something on someone's twitter feed is not an exclusive i just

you know

i mean

do you feel me

anyone

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:34 PM   #112
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kind of embarassed to admit but i went to the o-board to see if there was any talk of this stuff and it was quiet. are they deleting threads about it or what. i don't why i'm asking, because they probably are. but yeah

 
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scot, you forgot to tag that information that is accessible to anyone as being exclusive to you

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:13 PM   #114
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:19 PM   #115
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Billy posted this birthday greeting on Facebook >>>



Mike's mom posted a comment to that birthday greeting yesterday >>>

lmao that's too funny to be true.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:30 PM   #116
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kind of embarassed to admit but i went to the o-board to see if there was any talk of this stuff and it was quiet. are they deleting threads about it or what. i don't why i'm asking, because they probably are. but yeah
There is a huge 16 page thread about it.

As for the recent developments, it's definitely interesting to see peoples' conflicting feelings. I do not think anyone would be particularly unhappy to see Mike leave: particularly if it meant a possible return for Chamberlin. Even Byrne's staunchest defenders would agree his is a "next best thing" to Jimmy, and would probably agree to can Byrne if it meant getting Jimmy back. That being said, Corgan had us all almost convinced that he really did consider the Billy, Jeff, Mike, and Nicole lineup to be a real band. It would just seem odd that Corgan spent so much time emphasizing this was a band just to abandon it all so quickly.

My personal theory at this moment is that things are truly on hiatus. It's obvious that even with Corgan writing new "Smashing Pumpkins" songs, Nicole and Mike's contributions probably won't be needed anytime soon.

 
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:32 PM   #117
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I prophesied that this was going to happen. Thank you God.


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fuck that!! Jimmy is coming back

If I mentally manifest this, it will happen. Mike Byrne is OUT!

 
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It would just seem odd that Corgan spent so much time emphasizing this was a band just to abandon it all so quickly.
i guess you're fairly new to this band

 
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that's exactly how zwan panned out. except this stretched out longer

"these are the greatest people ever! fuckin love this band"

two months later...

"these are the worst people ever"

 
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yeah basically

 
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