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12-13-2018, 01:47 AM | #1 |
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Maybe we are too hard on Billy
When it comes down to it at the end of the day, he's just a blue-collar guy who tapped into the right movement at the right time. He had a lot of passion and inspiration and made some awesome music for a good 5 years, now ever since he's been living in the shadow of that success.
I realize that we hold him in high regard, so we find it justifiable to share our opinions on his artistic output. But at the end of the day, he's just a small town guy, going on with his life and it's gotta be off putting to have a group of people talking negatively about you every day for 20 years. |
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12-13-2018, 01:53 AM | #2 |
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thank you, next
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12-13-2018, 01:54 AM | #3 |
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I think the lack of emotion and inspiration in his music post MCIS is a result of realizing that the rock-star dream isn't what it was cracked up to be. He reached the highest peak, realized it was a shit-show, so ever since, he just didn't have the drive and passion to reach any more heights.
I mean think about it, he lost his mother, he probably played a central role in what happened with the suicide of Cobain, he had a band member die on tour. It's no wonder his artistic flame burned out... But he does his job and does his best to continue making music and he's just ripped apart when it doesn't reach the artistic standards of his past work. Last edited by fuzzyroes : 12-13-2018 at 02:01 AM. |
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12-13-2018, 01:56 AM | #4 | |
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12-13-2018, 02:03 AM | #5 |
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12-13-2018, 02:09 AM | #6 |
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He hasn't been a blue collar guy for about 25 years. Call it growing up, experience, or fame going to his head...but there was a huge shift in his attitude from 1991-1994 versus 1995-2000. The goofy approachable guy interviewing D'arcy at Lolla in 93' is very different from the icy jaded guy doing interviews in 98' or the "rudest man in rock" talking with Q magazine in 1999.
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12-13-2018, 02:10 AM | #7 |
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Didn't he grow up in a little suburb an hour or so out from Chicago? He was a blue-collar kid with a tumultuous upbringing and despite all odds, made it big. Pretty cool.
It sucks that he wasn't able to sustain his quality level of artistic production, but there's a ton of musicians throughout the past 60 years who had the same story. No one remembers or holds all of the shit releases that artists like Beach Boys and Neil Young had after their glory years against them...We should just appreciate the Gish-Adore run and whatever songs that we enjoy that came after and ignore and forgive all of the crap. To do this, we have to come to the realization that the glory days are over. If there's a couple of songs on a release that we like, we shouldn't focus on the 8 songs we hate. I think that's why I can appreciate Monuments. To me, Tiberius and One and All are good rocking tracks, so it's cool to still be able to enjoy new music like that after all of these years. |
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12-13-2018, 02:13 AM | #8 |
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Glendale Heights I believe which is just a suburb of Chicago. Jimmy is from Joliet which is just outside of Chi-town.
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12-13-2018, 02:16 AM | #9 |
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His demeanor definitely changed, I think that was all part of realizing that success wasn't what it was cracked up to be, so it correlates perfectly with his diminishing inspiration that was evident in the music.
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12-13-2018, 02:32 AM | #10 |
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He grew up in the third largest metropolitan area in the United States. He was born in the city and then moved to a suburb that you could get to in 30 minutes or so without heavy traffic
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12-13-2018, 02:36 AM | #11 |
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Why am I responding to this thread
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12-13-2018, 02:41 AM | #12 |
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because, like myself, you love pain
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12-13-2018, 03:23 AM | #13 |
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anyone got a counter on how many times Billy has told that story about buying a car in cash
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12-13-2018, 03:23 AM | #14 | |
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There are other plausible explanations in Billy's case, but I think this pattern is probably the more likely. |
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12-13-2018, 03:49 AM | #15 | |
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12-13-2018, 03:49 AM | #16 |
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plus, you know, he goes out of his way to piss off fans. of course we're gonna bitch @ the cracka
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12-13-2018, 04:22 AM | #17 | |
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With that said, I'm always curious to hear what he's up to, in hopes that something might connect. |
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12-13-2018, 04:54 AM | #18 |
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I can't really get over Billy mocking fans and telling them to fuck off directly to their faces over innocent questions.
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12-13-2018, 05:22 AM | #19 |
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I guess if it was just netphoria that was hard on him, and not like, every single person he's ever had any kind of relationship with
then that might be something to consider |
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12-13-2018, 07:18 AM | #20 |
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Even on netphoria people aren't nearly as hard on him as he deserves.
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12-13-2018, 11:54 AM | #21 | |
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Fuck billy. |
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12-13-2018, 12:15 PM | #22 |
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but, but... he's been on the Alex Jones Show, for Heaven's sake? Doesn't that count for something.
Give the poor man a break, sheesh. |
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12-13-2018, 12:19 PM | #23 | |
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12-13-2018, 12:19 PM | #24 |
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all this talk about hard on's is getting me hard
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12-13-2018, 12:29 PM | #25 |
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pinepee stfu
run2pee were you the one who recommended breakfast of champs? cos i can't put it down. it's that good. |
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12-13-2018, 01:05 PM | #26 |
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I only think we're too hard on Billy because we think he's a great musician.
He had about 8 good years in him. The breadth of his output is now more leaning on terrible than good. |
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12-13-2018, 01:39 PM | #27 |
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12-13-2018, 01:50 PM | #28 |
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what's all this about bill having two hard ons?
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12-13-2018, 02:05 PM | #29 |
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maybe we aren't hard enough. we all know what he's capable of in terms of quality, and what's wrong with wanting people to do their best? and guy, S&OSB: V1: NP, NF, NS ain't even close. nor was MTAE. nor was oceania. especially nor was Teargarden by Kaleidyscope. nor was zeigteist.
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12-13-2018, 02:28 PM | #30 |
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nor was TFE. nor Zwan. nor Machina.
nor Mellon Collie. nor Siamese Dream. the best work he's ever done is just sitting on a shelf in Chicago, & it's all. our. fault. |
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