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05-10-2017, 01:14 PM | #1 |
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Any artists with a more stunning fall?
What other artists/bands of 90's SP caliber have embarrassed themselves, destroyed their reputations, or otherwise been as cringe-worthy as Billy has?
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05-10-2017, 01:18 PM | #2 |
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you know i genuinely absolutely cannot think of anyone
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05-11-2017, 11:08 AM | #3 |
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05-10-2017, 01:22 PM | #4 |
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The closest I can come up with is Guns n' Roses and even that is getting a happy ending of sorts (not artistically obviously, but they're making a fuck ton of money again at least).
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05-11-2017, 10:43 AM | #5 |
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Axl did stadium and arena shows for his entire career even with the shitty hired guns so really not even close.
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05-10-2017, 02:21 PM | #6 |
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Al Jourgensen and Marilyn Manson both spring to mind; the main difference being they've put out albums some people out there actually enjoy, for what that's worth.
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05-10-2017, 03:28 PM | #7 |
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I've actually thought about this question a lot. I can't think of any other band with a fall quite like the Pumpkins. I've been a fan since 1992 but because of circumstance I didn't get to see them till 2010. I have seen them every year since then as well. Each passing year was fewer and fewer people till 2015 In Plainsong show. Ever since the reformation Billy has managed to run the ship further into the ground. He had a real chance to revitalize the band during the 07-09 era. I am a big fan of the sets, the performances (musically) and the material (live and studio). His mouth and attitude just ruined it. His thinking and decision making are just bizarre and very self-sabotaging.
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05-10-2017, 03:34 PM | #8 |
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Present day Marilyn Manson is like a poor man’s version of himself. He doesn’t compare to the sort of body-snatcher behavior Corgan has exhibited.
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05-11-2017, 12:51 PM | #9 | |
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Manson? The guy can barely sing three songs without getting winded, mumbles his way through lyrics, goes offstage for fifteen minute stretches in the middle of concerts...he's the epitome of washed up. Half his old band's in Rob Zombie (John 5 and Ginger Fish), and nobody from the old days but Twiggy will have anything to do with him. Other members are dead (Gidget Gein), dying (Daisy Berkowitz/Scott Putesky - colon cancer), or half-insane and ranting on facebook wishing that Manson was dead (Pogo/MW Gacy/Stephen Bier) This was like last week. He sounds barely capable of speech and plainly is still on drugs. Honestly, those shows with James awhile back are the kind of things Manson's fanbase could only dream about. They're a bright spark; SP could still theoretically have that big-money reunion tour and get that GnR happyish ending. Within 10 years Manson's going to be dead of an overdose or heart attack, and his 'band' hasn't existed for years. |
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05-10-2017, 03:42 PM | #10 |
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IMO this perception is heavily biased by how good we perceive SP to have been originally because obviously we are mostly super-fans
there are lots of classic rock acts who have been just as embarrassing as BC after their prime |
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05-10-2017, 03:43 PM | #11 |
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I mean Ritchie Blackmore plays renaissance fairs
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05-10-2017, 04:50 PM | #12 |
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Yeah I can't think of anyone either but that may just be because we're paying so much attention to SP and are emotionally invested
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05-10-2017, 05:43 PM | #13 |
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Not Boris.
That's 4 shure. |
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05-10-2017, 06:09 PM | #14 |
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05-10-2017, 06:16 PM | #15 |
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05-10-2017, 06:17 PM | #16 |
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Yeah was gonna mention them (***edit*** Counting Crows)... Not that they're of SP's caliber, but they still had a similar level of fame.
Weezer shares a lot of similarities (of course I've recently documented that) Collective Souls another one that comes to mind. Soundgardens latest album blew chunks, Alice in Chains are pretty lame with the new singer, but they still get nominated for grammy's and shit.. Pretty much the bottom line is the question should be: who now isn't an embarrassment from that genre and the list is small... Foo Fighters, Green Day, Pearl Jam, Dinosaur Jr.... Probably about it... |
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05-10-2017, 06:18 PM | #17 | |
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05-10-2017, 06:18 PM | #18 |
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do the dead ones count?
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05-10-2017, 06:20 PM | #19 |
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It's of course not an exact science, but RBG's actually right this time. If you talk to general music fans, most still hold SP in high regard and paid no attention to the debacles that came later.
That's the beauty of rock and roll... Take a band like Queen, they put a lot of cringe-worthy awful bullshit out after their glory years and nobody remembers that or holds that against them anymore... |
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05-12-2017, 12:47 PM | #20 |
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well queen made 7 or 8 good albums and after that they made albums with a hit here and there and a lot of forgettable stuff. it is only recently that it started being really cringeworthy: Roger Taylor and Brian May tour as Queen with talent show winner Adam Lambert playing the old hits as a nostalgia act and they just announced a new album.
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05-12-2017, 07:23 PM | #21 | |
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Of course Corgan hasn't been the only one dragging SP's legacy through the mud. I know we all love to champion Iha but the fact that he formed a band with the Hanson guy also outdoes any of the trade-mark Corgan level of cringe. JC's been the only member not to completely shit on the brand. |
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05-13-2017, 10:51 PM | #22 | |
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i wish i didn't read this. what a fucking joke is simon cowell gonna produce the goddamn record now or what apparently few are the things that are harder for people who've tasted success, than knowing when to let it die and just let go |
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05-13-2017, 11:33 PM | #23 | |
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05-12-2017, 07:36 PM | #24 | |
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Why May and Taylor won't let Queen die boggles my mind. It's not like either one of the needs the cash. And they're both supertalents who clearly don't need to cash in on their frontman's fame. |
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05-12-2017, 09:06 PM | #25 | |
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05-10-2017, 06:23 PM | #26 |
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And to be fair, Billy's only true awful embarrassment was really Teargarden. Oceania and Monuments while not great aren't anything to be embarrassed about.
I think it's just the steady decline that people find so fascinating... Cause it really seems like there was a steady decline from Adore on that hit a boiling point at Teargarden. -(Even though I personally like Zeitgeist, I still realize that most don't.) |
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05-10-2017, 07:03 PM | #27 | |
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05-10-2017, 06:41 PM | #28 |
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Oceania is OK, but Monuments is a pile of trash
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05-10-2017, 08:53 PM | #29 |
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05-10-2017, 09:23 PM | #30 |
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