why did it take me so long to listen to the cure

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

well that's unfortunate for you that you can't hear the difference I guess. I'm not trying to be a snob and I don't really care about the artwork or liner notes. the sound is better on a vinyl record.

Are you fucking retarded? I used the word "different". I can tell the difference. You can't claim that one or the other is "better" because that's a matter of subjective opinion.

You are being a giant snob whether or not you are trying to be. It's cool and all that you prefer vinyl because you think it sounds better, but what you choose to listen to and why is of no real concern to me. I can see the merit of both CDs and vinyl, you on the other hand are making out like anyone that prefers CDs over vinyl for whatever reason is an unenlightened pleb.

Your opinions are nothing new. It's all been said and heard before.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by D.

Cool. Vinyl vs CD debate. I bet we'll really get to the bottom of this debate once and for all ITT.

He started it.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

Are you fucking retarded? I used the word "different". I can tell the difference. You can't claim that one or the other is "better" because that's a matter of subjective opinion.

You are being a giant snob whether or not you are trying to be. It's cool and all that you prefer vinyl because you think it sounds better, but what you choose to listen to and why is of no real concern to me. I can see the merit of both CDs and vinyl, you on the other hand are making out like anyone that prefers CDs over vinyl for whatever reason is an unenlightened pleb.

Your opinions are nothing new. It's all been said and heard before.

hey man don't tell me mp3s aren't as good as lossless it's all subjective man

[redbreegull]

JUST DIFFERENT

[Shallowed]

That's a completely different argument which I'm not making. Yes lossless is objectively better quality than mp3 is but I still don't beat people over the head for not listening to flac.

What "flac vs mp3" and "cd vs vinyl" format preferences do have in common though is that they all suit different needs.

Is this a difficult concept for you or are you just being a trolling jerk?

[redbreegull]

There are newer digital formats that supposedly rival vinyl in fidelity to the original analog sound wave, but not a standard CD

[Shallowed]

What of it?

[Lucky Day Spa]

i recently read a summary of a study that claimed that vinyl is actually less detailed than lossless 16-bit/44.1k. i think the conclusion the authors drew was that vinyl sounds better than digital to a lot of people because of its idiosyncrasies and natural warming equalisation – but also because a lot of people are so used to vinyl that anything digital sounds wrong, even if it's a closer representation of the master

[Lucky Day Spa]

i'll see if i can dredge up the link

it was around the time of the pono kickstarter

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Lucky Day Spa

but also because a lot of people are so used to vinyl that anything digital sounds wrong, even if it's a closer representation of the master

I would like to read that if you can find it. I have trouble buying the above though. Nearly anyone under the age of 35 will have heard far more music in digital formats than in analog.

[redbreegull]

ps sorry I am being a dick, shallowed. i'm in a bad mood for some reason

[Shallowed]

It's okay and stuff I guess

[Lucky Day Spa]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

I would like to read that if you can find it. I have trouble buying the above though. Nearly anyone under the age of 35 will have heard far more music in digital formats than in analog.

somehow i doubt the lifetime aggregate listening of digital vs. analogue factors as much as the predominant recent medium during close listening

no doubt there's a bit of placebo effect and sunk cost fallacy in there too (c.f. studies indicating people enjoy things like wine more if they're told it's expensive)

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Lucky Day Spa

somehow i doubt the lifetime aggregate listening of digital vs. analogue factors as much as the predominant recent medium during close listening

how does that make sense though? if the argument is that digital will never sound "correct" to ears used to listening to analog, why wouldn't young people reject the sound of analog as sounding "wrong" compared to the format they are used to, which for a long time was in fact marketed as having far higher capabilities than a vinyl record?

I don't doubt the rest of your argument, this just doesn't add up for me.

[Lucky Day Spa]

i didn't say "never", that's an idea you've introduced. i was thinking more of people who've mostly listened to digital but are now vinyl converts.

and also yes, all else being equal i would expect vinyl to sound wrong at first, but that's where its status and expensiveness come into play and start warping impressionable young minds or whatever

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by D.

Cool. Vinyl vs CD debate. I bet we'll really get to the bottom of this debate once and for all ITT.

it's like abortion, and israel. RBG is gonna get down to the bottom of all of these questions.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by redbull

f i r e i n c a i r o

well i can tell these guys listened to chairs missing

edit: i seriously can't believe how old this band is

[Trotskilicious]

i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

Playing support for Wire (at Kent University in October 1978) gave Smith the idea "to follow a different course, to hold out against the punk wave ... Wire pointed out another direction to me."

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by noyen

they hate each other (robert smith and moz hate each other forever) but i don't think i've ever heard of sound comparisons all too much aside from the fact they were bands around the same time like a bunch of others that get lumped together as 80's 'modern/college rock" or whatever. maybe i guess. i've heard more comparisons to them and joy division in their "punk" days. there was a lot of sound debate between the cure and new order for a while and still is as to who ripped off who. there's a couple songs that have near identical bass and drum sounds.

i sometimes wonder if we aren't literally thinking the same things at the same time, like the creative output just happens like that is a phenomenon. you think you're really original but another guy, in the same scene and basic circumstances is going to have similar ideas and our primitive monkey minds can't handle the fact that maybe we aren't as clever as we think we are and don't just put it down to a learned response

i'd have a better term for this if i wasn't so stoned, i've thought about it a lot, re: pyramids of maya and egypt.

[Lucky Day Spa]

it's called multiple discovery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery

[D.]

Saw a used "Boys Don't Cry" LP at HPB for $10.

Good deal?

[slunken]

discogs.com

[MeAndMyLlama]

Vinyl vs. whatever debates always make me feel bad.

Like I thought I was listening to music correctly the whole time but in comes somebody to tell me that my 28+ years of music listening was a fucking farce.

[Trotskilicious]

only if you're fuzzyroses

[opera de nuit]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

Playing support for Wire (at Kent University in October 1978) gave Smith the idea "to follow a different course, to hold out against the punk wave ... Wire pointed out another direction to me."

ps if you guys are digging the three imaginary boys stuff a lot, check out the associates also on fiction records. bassist michael dempsey left and simon gallup joined for seventeen seconds, and dempsey joined the associates, who continue with the jittery, energetic vibe. robert smith also sings backup vox on 'the affectionate punch.'

[opera de nuit]

also if you want to hear a really convincing cure clone band (circa head on the door), check this out:



and if you want cure + new order, there's always clan of xymox...

[slunken]

I you love the great taste of Pepsi you'll absolutely love new Crystal Clear Pepsi.

[Elphenor]

Why would you want any of those things.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Lucky Day Spa

it's called multiple discovery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery

they really should broaden this more to describe artistic trends

that's it exactly, its the same mathematical concept. x is immersed in y and produces z

simpsons did it

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

*voilà