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04-14-2018, 10:16 PM | #1 |
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examples of Billy speeding up and making everyone/Jimmy play faster
everyone says he did this a lot, particularly people i know that saw the band in the 90s. i've never been able to spot it on an audio or video recording. anyone got any examples? obvious or not. genuinely curious
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04-14-2018, 10:28 PM | #2 |
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His timing has always been impeccable.. he and jimmy aren’t metronomic perfect but they are *always* in time with each other.
When BC has mike Byrne behind him, the timing issues were way more apparent. Darcy’s complaint about their timing is interesting, as they’ve both complained about hers. Doesn’t matter though because they always (including Darcy) sounded great together. |
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04-15-2018, 02:15 AM | #3 | |
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I've read that Jimmy has said the opposite about D'arcy. There was a quote on here (I'll never find it) about how he thought she had really good timing. IDK about *always* but per BC during an XM radio interview, he and JC have that "weird thingy going on for sure". |
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04-14-2018, 10:31 PM | #4 |
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Ram27 to thread
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthre...ght=jellybelly |
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04-14-2018, 11:31 PM | #5 | |
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lol hi. love the thread idea grox
I'm not sure I've ever seen Billy speed up live and make the band play faster. Of course, there's the last Metro show where Jimmy starts Fuck You crazy fast and winks at Billy Jimmy, seemingly, is usually the one eager to push the tempo. see how fast he starts Geek during the 94 shows I'd also love live examples of this, but it always seemed, at least to me, like a thing that happened during rehearsal: Quote:
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04-15-2018, 04:21 AM | #6 |
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On the MCIS tour they played some of the songs ridiculously fast just in general. Particularly WBFTT, Zero, and XYU.
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04-15-2018, 04:38 AM | #7 |
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Butch Vig (2012 interview):
"He [Jimmy Chamberlin] and Billy Corgan really have a special dynamic...how they play. It's very hypnotic and I think that was the secret to the Pumpkins sound...it had this kind of sexy swagger in a way...very hypnotic...and...the only way I can describe it is they had this push pull thing and they were locked into each other..." |
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04-15-2018, 07:43 AM | #8 |
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ur father likes to speed up
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04-15-2018, 11:19 AM | #9 |
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I would say Jimmy is the one who speeds up, but it's in a good way.
James is always so far behind the beat it's like he's on xanax. I blame the weird way he holds a pick. |
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Modern Drummer Interview with Jimmy Chamberlin, January 1994:
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http://www.spfc.org/news-press/inter...ontent_id=2788 Matt Walker: From Pumpkins To Cupcakes Quote:
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04-15-2018, 12:03 PM | #11 |
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I've also read about jimmy complaining about d'arcy's tempo throwing off his drum takes that he'd ask her NOT to play while he was recording...
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04-15-2018, 02:08 PM | #12 | |
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04-15-2018, 04:53 PM | #13 |
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I heard that Billy went to a restaurant and ate all the food in the restaurant and they had to close the restaurant
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04-16-2018, 06:15 AM | #14 |
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04-15-2018, 07:35 PM | #15 |
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oh, like you're doing right now?
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04-16-2018, 05:24 AM | #16 |
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The feel and groove is definitely JC and BC. That's evident when you listen to Oceania or MTAE (as in, it's missing). Even GLOW or FOL has that Pumpkins swagger.
The new songs will hopefully follow suit. Last edited by eviltimeban : 04-16-2018 at 11:43 AM. |
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04-16-2018, 06:25 AM | #17 |
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04-16-2018, 08:01 AM | #18 |
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04-16-2018, 08:25 AM | #19 |
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what the
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04-16-2018, 12:09 PM | #20 |
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There was an interview (maybe a Jimmy drum clinic?) where he explained how he makes insanely tiny adjustments to the tempo as the song proceeds, like one or two beats per minute increase for the chorus. These are the kinds of things other drummers fight against.
For the record, I think on the Matt Walker shows of the MCIS tour you can hear how the steadier drumming allowed Billy & James to play together better. |
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04-16-2018, 08:47 PM | #21 | |
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he can't help it, and it's definitely not very calculated. his adrenaline gets the best of him; it's just his personality, his character. he's a bull, always charging forward with immense power and driving the music. the fact that he didn't try to tame it, but went with it and made that his trademark is part of what makes him such a special drummer. fresh approach. you'll never find drummers doing this today in "click era". |
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04-18-2018, 02:47 AM | #22 |
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04-16-2018, 08:44 PM | #23 |
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re: op
hello kitty kat cash car star united states |
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04-17-2018, 06:35 PM | #24 |
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Good examples. also does anyone remember that thread here a couple years ago about tempo analysis of some SP songs? I thought it was really interesting that "I of the Mourning" gradually increases in tempo throughout the entire song.
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04-18-2018, 03:28 AM | #25 |
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B: Jimmy?
J: Yeah boss? B: I've written another song for you to play J: Sounds good B: This one is different. See the song itself is not good. Like at all. J: You want me to shred so hard on it that i bend time and nobody notices? B: You know it. |
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04-17-2018, 08:35 AM | #26 |
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The end of Rocket is clearly slower than the rest of it. Meant to be that way?
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04-18-2018, 02:15 AM | #27 |
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04-17-2018, 09:37 PM | #28 |
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That was super cool. I think that site's broken now
I want more nerdy technical threads or guitar swings |
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04-17-2018, 09:38 PM | #29 |
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actually just guitar swings
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04-18-2018, 10:05 AM | #30 |
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we're an american band for you
His snare sound on that is fucking perfect |
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