the only time Quiet has been played since 1994 - Page 2

Ihaguitar · 07-14-2018, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11

sweet sweet is definitely not better than quiet.

Luna isn't that great either, tbh. And Spaceboy never really fitted on the album properly for me, but its a decent song. Quiet is up there, higher than Rocket.

FoolofaTook · 07-14-2018, 06:57 AM

you smoking crack?

Ihaguitar · 07-14-2018, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

you smoking crack?

Yes, actually

spidrr · 07-14-2018, 09:29 AM

the solo alone in Quiet is one of the best moments on SD. The build up. The drumming. I mean, cmon. Sweet Sweet can go, kind of a waster. Though it’s still a good song, I guess.

myosis · 07-14-2018, 09:52 AM

sweet sweet is not pointless though, it's a bridge between silverfuck and luna.
i'm sure it was conscious that the song was a throwaway, but you couldn't really substitute any of the outtakes for it and keep a working album flow.

fluxequalsrad · 07-14-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11

sweet sweet is definitely not better than quiet.

sweet sweet still fuqs tho.

TuralyonW3 · 07-14-2018, 03:27 PM

It does fuq hard. Sweet sweet is an important part of the SD experience for me

BurtSampson · 07-14-2018, 03:51 PM

Sweet Sweet is completely irreplaceable as a bridge between Silverfuck and Luna and it gives the album even more dynamics and lets it begin to drift off into a dreamy ending.

Quiet is just another Pumpkins rocker

TuralyonW3 · 07-14-2018, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BurtSampson

Sweet Sweet is completely irreplaceable as a bridge between Silverfuck and Luna and it gives the album even more dynamics and lets it begin to drift off into a dreamy ending.

Quiet is just another Pumpkins rocker

"just another pumpkins rocker" in 1993 means it's probably amazing

DemonUnicorns · 07-14-2018, 04:19 PM

I like how the little acoustic strumming at the end of Silverfuck leads into Sweet Sweet.

And yeah, Quiet is top notch SD stuff. You guys crazy?

incubator · 07-14-2018, 04:34 PM

Quiet makes the whole record work.

eviltimeban · 07-15-2018, 05:31 AM

I think the flow could've easily gone Silverfuck - Luna and nothing would've been lost. In fact, I often wonder if *one more rocker* could've gone in there - perhaps Hello Kitty Kat, had it not been a Today b-side. For me, Sweet Sweet is nice but sort of goes nowhere; at least, it should go on for a bit longer.

Luna is beautiful. Saying it's a weak SD song is just weird.

I've always liked Spaceboy, as it's a chance to take a breath and hear something different from the fuzzy guitars. There's enough loud guitars going on around it, and it just adds something new and different (and unique to the album). I remember the Melody Maker review at the time pointing this song out as a highlight, as it didn't sound like anything else at the time. Cool use of the mellotron orchestral setting as well (see: early King Crimson).

If I had to own up I'd admit the least engaging "rocker" on SD for me is Geek USA - don't get me wrong, it's a great track, I like it, it has it's place and the middle section is SUBLIME, but in terms of similar tracks from that era I would prefer Frail & Bedazzled or HKK.

The cool thing about SD is "side one", Cherub Rock -> Soma, is faultless. Everything is in it's right place, in the right order. "Side two" is a little more varied, Silverfuck obviously being a bit more out there (admission; I think Starla is a far better "long jam"). Side one works better than side two, but side two offers an almost "b-side" approach to the tracks. Get your kicks with side one, but here's side two to make you pay attention.

reprise85 · 07-15-2018, 04:14 PM

weakest song on the album is today imo. bottom 3 are today, spaceboy, and sweet sweet (in that order)

reprise85 · 07-15-2018, 04:17 PM

aw fuck it

from best to worst:

hummer
mayonaise
rocket
soma
geek usa
disarm
cherub rock
silverfuck
quiet
luna
today
sweet, sweet
spaceboy

Grox · 07-15-2018, 04:56 PM

I understand Billy thinking that Quiet was a weak song, but it made more sense on the album vs. Hello Kitty Kat, which iirc was sequenced second on that mysterious promo tape when HKK was still on the album. Quiet has a more simple, pop structure - HKK goes off on a lot of Gish tangents. imo it was a good call, because having HKK and Geek on the same record would be redundant.

Grox · 07-15-2018, 04:56 PM

D'arcy also pushed very hard for Pissant to be on the album, to no avail.

Ihaguitar · 07-15-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grox

D'arcy also pushed very hard for Pissant to be on the album, to no avail.

Couldn't imagine Pissant or Kitty on the album. B-side material.

BurtSampson · 07-15-2018, 06:58 PM

Mayonaise
Soma
Geek USA
Rocket
Hummer
Cherub Rock
Silverfuck (live versions are much better)
Today
Luna
Sweet Sweet
Disarm
Quiet
Spaceboy

I take back what I said about Quiet being the weakest song on the album

Mals Marola · 07-15-2018, 09:41 PM

Contempt for Spaceboy is one of the most baffling things the general SP fandom has ever presented to me
How can you like this band or "the soft side of Billy Corgan" circa 1993 at all and not like this song. Such a pure, honest sentiment

reprise85 · 07-15-2018, 09:45 PM

i like it but it is the weakest link for sure. i love the soft side of corgan... luna, sweet sweet, purr snickety, all the stuff on pisces etc. but spaceboy is there cuz it's a song for his brother and not because it was as strong as the other songs. which is totally fine, i'm just saying

Shadaloo · 07-15-2018, 09:54 PM

Quiet really was the best possible choice for a second track, I think. The ascending guitars into the first verse really give it a "now let's get this shit into gear" feelafter Cherub Rock opens. It's not as strong as anything around but it's an excellent stepping stone up and I can't see HKK or Pissant working as well in its place.

Sweet sweet's a nice little bridge of a track and I wouldn't move it for the world.

I mean, there's not a weak moment on the album. I love Spaceboy too - having had a disabled sibling it gets me where I live a little - but I'm actually way more partial to the Mashed Potatoes/alternate version.

Mals Marola · 07-15-2018, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

i like it but it is the weakest link for sure. i love the soft side of corgan... luna, sweet sweet, purr snickety, all the stuff on pisces etc. but spaceboy is there cuz it's a song for his brother and not because it was as strong as the other songs. which is totally fine, i'm just saying

To me it's kind of like Disarm though - even though it's a very pointed song aimed at his parents, it's so, so universally relatable and doesn't cheapen its aim in doing so

I don't know I mean, it's not my favorite song but it just kind of puzzles me when I see so many people "bagging" on it

Mals Marola · 07-15-2018, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadaloo

Quiet really was the best possible choice for a second track, I think. The ascending guitars into the first verse really give it a "now let's get this shit into gear" feelafter Cherub Rock opens. It's not as strong as anything around but it's an excellent stepping stone up and I can't see HKK or Pissant working as well in its place.

Sweet sweet's a nice little bridge of a track and I wouldn't move it for the world.

I mean, there's not a weak moment on the album. I love Spaceboy too - having had a disabled sibling it gets me where I live a little - but I'm actually way more partial to the Mashed Potatoes/alternate version.

ya that first drum fill followed by the ascending, huge sounding guitars was really a true reinforcement of "we're not fucking around here, fellas!"

Mals Marola · 07-15-2018, 10:02 PM

I don't always air drum, but when I do it's to that god damn intro fill

DemonUnicorns · 07-15-2018, 10:03 PM

Yes but how could one rate Sweet Sweet higher than Quiet?

Not to take away from either song, but one clearly had a bit more work put into it.

But of course, having more work put into a song does not mean it is inherently better or something. I just...Quiet's chorus is one of the best on the album. The drums and guitar mesh together so well and the vocal melody is dreamy.

Zer0 Hour · 07-15-2018, 10:06 PM

I love a lot of the B-sides of the Gish and SD era but I honestly wouldn't replace any of the songs on SD. Quiet is such a kickass rock song and lyrically, I've always found it very strong. I especially love this line: We are the fossils/ The relics of our time/ We mutilate the meanings/ So they're easy to deny/

And Spaceboy and Sweet Sweet, while weaker songs, just fit the vibe that Corgan was going for with that album. Sweet Sweet feels more like an interlude than a full song, but it just feels so perfectly placed.

I do think Billy was foolish not to put Starla on Gish though. I like Daydream and I'm Going Crazy well enough, but I would gladly swap those two out for Starla. Those songs feel more like B-sides, IMO.

EDIT: Okay, can someone tell me why the fuck this message board bleeps out the word I N C L U D E?

DemonUnicorns · 07-15-2018, 10:09 PM

Disarm is probably my least favorite on the album tbh.

But that's probably just because I have heard it so much. Yet that hasn't killed 1979 for me...

teh b0lly!!1 · 07-15-2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by reprise85

weakest song on the album is today imo. bottom 3 are today, spaceboy, and sweet sweet (in that order)

Quote:

Originally Posted by reprise85

aw fuck it

from best to worst:

....
today
sweet, sweet
spaceboy

what kind of sick fuckin game are you fuckin playin here

TuralyonW3 · 07-15-2018, 10:37 PM

DemonUnicorns · 07-15-2018, 11:11 PM

Today is the greatest day I've ever known

07-15-2018, 10:37 PM	#59
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07-14-2018, 06:57 AM	#32
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	you smoking crack?

07-14-2018, 09:29 AM	#34
spidrr Ownz Location: NYC Posts: 733	the solo alone in Quiet is one of the best moments on SD. The build up. The drumming. I mean, cmon. Sweet Sweet can go, kind of a waster. Though it’s still a good song, I guess.

07-14-2018, 09:52 AM	#35
myosis Minion of Satan Location: the institute Posts: 6,421	sweet sweet is not pointless though, it's a bridge between silverfuck and luna. i'm sure it was conscious that the song was a throwaway, but you couldn't really substitute any of the outtakes for it and keep a working album flow.

07-14-2018, 03:27 PM	#37
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,684	It does fuq hard. Sweet sweet is an important part of the SD experience for me

07-14-2018, 03:51 PM	#38
BurtSampson Apocalyptic Poster Location: Billy's Buttcrack Posts: 1,687	Sweet Sweet is completely irreplaceable as a bridge between Silverfuck and Luna and it gives the album even more dynamics and lets it begin to drift off into a dreamy ending. Quiet is just another Pumpkins rocker

07-14-2018, 04:19 PM	#40
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	I like how the little acoustic strumming at the end of Silverfuck leads into Sweet Sweet. And yeah, Quiet is top notch SD stuff. You guys crazy?

07-14-2018, 04:34 PM	#41
incubator Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,235	Quiet makes the whole record work.

07-15-2018, 05:31 AM	#42
eviltimeban Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,142	I think the flow could've easily gone Silverfuck - Luna and nothing would've been lost. In fact, I often wonder if one more rocker could've gone in there - perhaps Hello Kitty Kat, had it not been a Today b-side. For me, Sweet Sweet is nice but sort of goes nowhere; at least, it should go on for a bit longer. Luna is beautiful. Saying it's a weak SD song is just weird. I've always liked Spaceboy, as it's a chance to take a breath and hear something different from the fuzzy guitars. There's enough loud guitars going on around it, and it just adds something new and different (and unique to the album). I remember the Melody Maker review at the time pointing this song out as a highlight, as it didn't sound like anything else at the time. Cool use of the mellotron orchestral setting as well (see: early King Crimson). If I had to own up I'd admit the least engaging "rocker" on SD for me is Geek USA - don't get me wrong, it's a great track, I like it, it has it's place and the middle section is SUBLIME, but in terms of similar tracks from that era I would prefer Frail & Bedazzled or HKK. The cool thing about SD is "side one", Cherub Rock -> Soma, is faultless. Everything is in it's right place, in the right order. "Side two" is a little more varied, Silverfuck obviously being a bit more out there (admission; I think Starla is a far better "long jam"). Side one works better than side two, but side two offers an almost "b-side" approach to the tracks. Get your kicks with side one, but here's side two to make you pay attention.

07-15-2018, 04:14 PM	#43
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	weakest song on the album is today imo. bottom 3 are today, spaceboy, and sweet sweet (in that order)

07-15-2018, 04:17 PM	#44
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	aw fuck it from best to worst: hummer mayonaise rocket soma geek usa disarm cherub rock silverfuck quiet luna today sweet, sweet spaceboy

07-15-2018, 04:56 PM	#45
Grox Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,695	I understand Billy thinking that Quiet was a weak song, but it made more sense on the album vs. Hello Kitty Kat, which iirc was sequenced second on that mysterious promo tape when HKK was still on the album. Quiet has a more simple, pop structure - HKK goes off on a lot of Gish tangents. imo it was a good call, because having HKK and Geek on the same record would be redundant.

07-15-2018, 06:58 PM	#48
BurtSampson Apocalyptic Poster Location: Billy's Buttcrack Posts: 1,687	Mayonaise Soma Geek USA Rocket Hummer Cherub Rock Silverfuck (live versions are much better) Today Luna Sweet Sweet Disarm Quiet Spaceboy I take back what I said about Quiet being the weakest song on the album

07-15-2018, 09:41 PM	#49
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	Contempt for Spaceboy is one of the most baffling things the general SP fandom has ever presented to me How can you like this band or "the soft side of Billy Corgan" circa 1993 at all and not like this song. Such a pure, honest sentiment

07-15-2018, 09:45 PM	#50
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	i like it but it is the weakest link for sure. i love the soft side of corgan... luna, sweet sweet, purr snickety, all the stuff on pisces etc. but spaceboy is there cuz it's a song for his brother and not because it was as strong as the other songs. which is totally fine, i'm just saying

07-15-2018, 09:54 PM	#51
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	Quiet really was the best possible choice for a second track, I think. The ascending guitars into the first verse really give it a "now let's get this shit into gear" feelafter Cherub Rock opens. It's not as strong as anything around but it's an excellent stepping stone up and I can't see HKK or Pissant working as well in its place. Sweet sweet's a nice little bridge of a track and I wouldn't move it for the world. I mean, there's not a weak moment on the album. I love Spaceboy too - having had a disabled sibling it gets me where I live a little - but I'm actually way more partial to the Mashed Potatoes/alternate version.

07-15-2018, 10:02 PM	#54
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	I don't always air drum, but when I do it's to that god damn intro fill

07-15-2018, 10:03 PM	#55
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	Yes but how could one rate Sweet Sweet higher than Quiet? Not to take away from either song, but one clearly had a bit more work put into it. But of course, having more work put into a song does not mean it is inherently better or something. I just...Quiet's chorus is one of the best on the album. The drums and guitar mesh together so well and the vocal melody is dreamy.

07-15-2018, 10:06 PM	#56
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	I love a lot of the B-sides of the Gish and SD era but I honestly wouldn't replace any of the songs on SD. Quiet is such a kickass rock song and lyrically, I've always found it very strong. I especially love this line: We are the fossils/ The relics of our time/ We mutilate the meanings/ So they're easy to deny/ And Spaceboy and Sweet Sweet, while weaker songs, just fit the vibe that Corgan was going for with that album. Sweet Sweet feels more like an interlude than a full song, but it just feels so perfectly placed. I do think Billy was foolish not to put Starla on Gish though. I like Daydream and I'm Going Crazy well enough, but I would gladly swap those two out for Starla. Those songs feel more like B-sides, IMO. EDIT: Okay, can someone tell me why the fuck this message board bleeps out the word I N C L U D E?

07-15-2018, 10:09 PM	#57
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	Disarm is probably my least favorite on the album tbh. But that's probably just because I have heard it so much. Yet that hasn't killed 1979 for me...

07-15-2018, 11:11 PM	#60
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	Today is the greatest day I've ever known