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09-27-2020, 12:18 PM | #31 |
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the last James solo album was really good. Your mileage may vary on the songs but it does have the feel, production, and visual aesthetic that actually recall SP1 88-96.
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09-27-2020, 01:23 PM | #32 |
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100%
not to mention everyone sleeping on Let It Come Down which is a sublime acoustic beauty |
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09-27-2020, 02:15 PM | #33 |
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I enjoy my bed and its comfortable pillow and sheets thank you very much
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09-27-2020, 03:19 PM | #34 |
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On a related note, James Iha (whose last album came out eight years ago) has more monthly listeners on Spotify than ol' B'arcy does. That's gotta sting...
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09-27-2020, 03:48 PM | #35 |
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Jimmy's performance shift has been a bit strange. Part of the problem is Woolly Corgan. He's obsessed with changing the way the drums are produced and performed to make it sound like modern pop production.
It's abysmal. This has also shifted to the stage. There is so little stage volume at pumpkins shows now, it's baffling to think they were once so loud in 1996 that during the 'disconnect' part in Fuck You, the sound hadn't finished traveling the full arena by the time they were on the next break down. The dry cymbal choice I think are Billy and Jimmy's idea because that's how other modern pop bands sound. Quiet on stage. Click tracks. Slooow versions of the songs. When I saw them in 2015 with Manson, all the songs were very slow and measured. Jimmy looked bored and I watched him most of the show. There was literally no interaction from Billy. Ruby was great that night, but it just abruptly ended. Geek USA and United States had good energy. I purchased The Complex ep yesterday and guess what? The drum production and performance is amazing prototypical Jimmy. So. Jimmy has some blame but we know who will never accept they aren't as big as Beyonce and still yearn for those heights of 1996, where they were mega MTV stars. |
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09-27-2020, 03:59 PM | #36 |
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you don't become as big as 96 by pivoting to what other people do better than you do, though. SP has always interwoven the trends of the day to their records, but it was clearly most successful in the early 90s
the stage setup is a fucking bummer. it's all so overdone. i always hear bands wanting to play to a click for...i dunno, tightness, consistency, some bullshit. it always comes off as placid. same with the no amps. slick for slicknesses sake even tho half the fun of alt rock is that it's gritty and real |
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09-27-2020, 04:04 PM | #37 |
real estate cowboy
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The No Amps
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09-27-2020, 04:06 PM | #38 |
Demi-God
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Going to rock concert and not being able to hear the guitars is the worst. How does Billy make these decisions? Is it about preserving his hearing?
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09-27-2020, 04:07 PM | #39 | |
Demi-God
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09-27-2020, 04:12 PM | #40 |
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The click was fine for the shiny tour. Allowed them to sync with the visuals easier and, along with the low stage volume, it probably made it a lot easier for the band. They’re not the well oiled, well practiced, near psychically linked band from the 90s. I’m sure having everything at a steady, predictable pace and being able to hear everything helped a lot.
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09-27-2020, 04:34 PM | #41 |
Demi-God
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Were the 2007 pumpkins tighter than the OG lineup?
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09-27-2020, 09:05 PM | #42 |
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09-27-2020, 09:23 PM | #43 |
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09-27-2020, 09:27 PM | #44 |
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I saw them in 2009 and hung out with Jeff and Jimmy for a few minutes earlier in the day (saw them at a music instrument shop).. and the set wasn't too boring. Billy jumped on one of the large speakers at one point in the show.
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09-27-2020, 10:15 PM | #45 |
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I listened to these songs in a car for the first time today.. god damn they sound like shit.. all of them.. put on something different instead
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09-28-2020, 10:39 AM | #46 |
Minion of Satan
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Very confused about the choice to add this constant stabbing shriek of female backing vocal on some of these bits of tracks.
Makes me think of bad cgi When we asked Corgan to give us his take on the current state of pop music, he offered this unforgettable comparison: "Pop is just porn now—it's just people competing for c*m shots." |
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09-28-2020, 10:42 AM | #47 |
Minion of Satan
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with the promise of
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09-28-2020, 10:45 AM | #48 |
Minion of Satan
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It’s like artificial. Creepy. Like i picture big willies got his fave 3 real dolls propped up in his lil home studio (always locked) and he’s got em wired up to scream in between everything he sings. And he’s just pattin em gently on the various wigs of their (painstakingly designed) heads, dancin round with his lil wireless sm58, wearing only his fuzzy bathrobe doin his lil big willie giggle around the room like “omf this is gonna killem”
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09-28-2020, 05:40 PM | #49 | |
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Same with James and Jimmy - they’ve learned to just shut up, feed his ego, and cash the check. |
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09-28-2020, 06:14 PM | #50 |
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This is called PR
Same shit as when any band describes their albums has having "A little of everything we've accomplished so far" or "Longtime fans will recognize some effects which" blahdeblah Don't take any of it seriously |
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09-28-2020, 08:10 PM | #51 |
Minion of Satan
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Run to me that post was fkn gold
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09-29-2020, 01:46 AM | #52 |
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Who in gods name is excitiey about the album?
People start bashing on any site, even youtube about the firection and weakness of the songs. I guess it is the final album after bullzi has received a 3 star review |
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09-29-2020, 10:35 AM | #53 | |
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Gotta say i’m with u in that i don’t mind TFE either, but it’s hard for me to see a link to that album in these new sounds. To me, TFE sounds rich with layers/ideas, plus has this haze or mist of blessed subtlety helping the whole weird thing to cohere. And there was still some bits of what came across as tru emotion, left there in the vocal delivery. This new stuff to me doesn’t have any subtlety or emotion. It’s like hard, aggressive, cold. And i cannot for the love of so help me connect with omg these friekin vocals from big willie. It’s like automatic NOPE the instant he comes on the track |
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09-29-2020, 10:44 AM | #54 | |
Minion of Satan
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Like it was the gloom of your own dirty bedroom and he’s picking up socks with u helping checking with a sniff can we wear them again for this brand new day in u guessed it hell? Hehe. That’s fun. Thanks for that, maybe i’ll give big willie a spin again next time im only 9/10 suicidal |
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09-29-2020, 11:50 AM | #55 |
Minion of Satan
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09-29-2020, 01:39 PM | #56 |
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Whereas thom yorke learned to bury his whiney unique voice in the mix , billy is up front with a much more unique but front annoying voice.
Bury it |
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09-29-2020, 02:44 PM | #57 |
Minion of Satan
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i love ma sista SO
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09-29-2020, 04:22 PM | #58 |
dumb
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she dun smuthuh me
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09-29-2020, 04:35 PM | #59 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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09-29-2020, 04:36 PM | #60 |
Just Hook it to My Veins!
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on a related note, i know exactly what a "fire erection" is
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