Will Trump Keep In President?

[Eulogy]

I really did think that contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and unemployment and evictions of millions (Not to mention the standard republican shit like basically outlawing abortions and the existence of trans people) would make people better understand the consequences of elections but I guess not. Not a white nationalist driving into a crowd of protesters. Not police unions enthusiastically endorsing Trump.

What will it actually take

[Eulogy]

The makeup of the federal judiciary is an absolute travesty. And it will impact people’s actual lives for decades. But whatever.

[MplsTaper]

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[yo soy el mejor]

HEY, MPLSTAPER

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez only theoretically has integrity

[MplsTaper]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez only technically has integrity

Care to elaborate?

[duovamp]

I want a grand coalition but I also want to get what I want and only what I want. What’s so hard here? If everybody just thought exactly like me there would be no problem.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

If Biden wanted our votes he could get them.

With his butt.

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

HEY, MPLSTAPER

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez only theoretically has integrity

She's voting for Biden obviously, not sure what your point is here. It was nice to see her nominate Bernie

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by yo soy el mejor

so squishy is voting, but not how you would like? got it!

i would be fine with it if things weren't so dire, protest votes can mean something, just right now they aren't justified imo

[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by duovamp

With his butt.

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by reprise85

I'm sorry Biden isn't the ideal candidate but you have to play with the cards you have. What happened is shady and fucked up wrt to the primary bit there's an election in 2.5 months.

And since you aren't responding at all to arguments, I'm done. Of course I'm angry about the ticket. But I care about other people more than my pride. Republicans won't even LOOK at leftist policies. You can't change the system. I'm sorry, but you can't. The only way it can possibly change (and not towards fascism) is to support the best candidate that also has an actual chance at winning.

I know you think you have integrity and you do in a theoretical way, but in a practical sense you are taking your ball and going home thinking you can come back later, but the court is going to be fucking demolished later if no one uses it

Sorry that's the best analogy I can make while sitting in my car waiting for my cat who is with the vet and scared shitless because I can't go in

I feel like this is just a circular argument at this point. Neither of us are going to convince the other. I hope your kitty is ok.

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by duovamp

I want a grand coalition but I also want to get what I want and only what I want. What’s so hard here? If everybody just thought exactly like me there would be no problem.

How dare Squish Squash want everyone to have healthcare!

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Yeah and how’d that work out for Bernie? Whenever he’s about to win the nomination, they just cheat him out of it.

you got offended last time I said this, but I'll say it again because it's true. you are like fuzzyroes in that you will make a claim, people will debunk it with numbers or what have you, and you'll just come back later and make the same claim again. he wasn't cheated. it wasn't even close. he did far worse this year than in 2016. more people wanted Biden.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Well technically he’s right in that they cater to RIGHT WING Democrats instead of actual centrists.

you are lost in the political spectrum. you think anyone more than one step to the center of you is objectively defined as right wing. if Sanders is a centrist to you, 95% of the electorate in the US is right wing. but sure, the revolution is coming in 2024

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

If Trump governed the way I thought he would in 2016 (i.e. starting a nuclear war and/or world war 3) I’d be much more willing to consider Biden. But he’s been a pretty typical Republican in terms of his tax cuts, corporate nonsense and deregulation. I’d say he’s actually pretty good for a Republican President in terms of foreign military policy, although he’s undoubtedly still an evil war criminal. He’s also done a few good things such as some prison reform and some leftist stances on trade. Is Trump awful? Absolutely, but he is not enough of an existential threat for me to consider Biden. Both of them will continue hurting the planet and country. I will ask you guys this, if there are people like me holding out for Biden to support progressive policies, why can’t he support even ONE of those policies? What does he have to lose by supporting universal healthcare? I will never vote for anyone who doesn’t support universal healthcare again in my life unless the other candidate is actually Hitler.

dude you are stupid. some of this is demonstrably false. Trump has not been a typical Republican at all, he's been the worst parts of the GOP from the last five decades on steroids. he brought us to the brink of war with North Korea and Iran for absolutely no reason. he's seriously damaged the US' global standing and diplomacy. We have ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD.

And Biden has moved to the left. The whole Democratic party has moved to the left. Biden HAS made concessions to the progressives. to say otherwise is just a lie. By the way, you know that Biden's healthcare plan is more popular than universal healthcare right? No, of course you don't. And the environment thing is equally as stupid. Are you aware of how many environmental policies from Obama/Biden Trump has dismantled? No, again, of course you don't, and if you do, you're being purposely disingenuous.

Originally Posted by Elphenor

it was thought by the Bernie or bust in 2016 that we'd get a progressive candidate in response to Trump

there was probably no reason to assume this to begin with

exactly. there was no reason to assume that, and there's no reason to assume it now either. to believe that the political system works like a perfect pendulum and ultimately things will be better if we allow them to get more fucked up first is magical thinking, i.e. there is no evidence whatsoever but it's just some fucking idea this guy has stuck in his head. Nixon didn't give us a progressive. Reagan didn't give us a progressive. W Bush didn't give us a progressive. But sure yeah, it's different this time squish. Maybe you could point out some historical examples of left wing democratic revolutions coming about in response to the right staging a fascist takeover cause I'm coming up blank.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

If you think Biden will do anything meaningful environmentally, you are unfamiliar with his record.

blatantly untrue, either by ignorance or purposeful falsehood. again, Trump has been frantically taking about environmental protection policies put into place by Obama/Biden for the last four years.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

My vote doesn’t matter but if enough people thought like me we would get a progressive in 2024.

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

I think you guys need to really think about why you’re more angry with me and other leftists for refusing to support someone with right-wing policies who’s supposedly the left wing candidate than you are with said candidate for absolutely refusing to support any progressive policy. If Biden wanted our votes he could get them.

you are a delusional self-obsessed baby.

[redbreegull]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

I feel like this is just a circular argument at this point. Neither of us are going to convince the other. I hope your kitty is ok.

"no amount of evidence or sound logic will change my mind"

[redbreegull]

so when are we gonna make our electoral maps

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by redbreegull

you got offended last time I said this, but I'll say it again because it's true. you are like fuzzyroes in that you will make a claim, people will debunk it with numbers or what have you, and you'll just come back later and make the same claim again. he wasn't cheated. it wasn't even close. he did far worse this year than in 2016. more people wanted Biden.
The exit polls clearly showed it was rigged against Bernie, multiple candidates dropped out early to endorse Biden while Warren stayed in to hurt Bernie, but keep burying your head in the sand about the Democratic party.


you are lost in the political spectrum. you think anyone more than one step to the center of you is objectively defined as right wing. if Sanders is a centrist to you, 95% of the electorate in the US is right wing. but sure, the revolution is coming in 2024

No you are viewing the world through the right wing lens of American politics. Bernie is in favor a mixed economy. He is not advocating for actual socialism like an actual leftist would. He’s on the left but he is not on the far left.

dude you are stupid. some of this is demonstrably false. Trump has not been a typical Republican at all, he's been the worst parts of the GOP from the last five decades on steroids. he brought us to the brink of war with North Korea and Iran for absolutely no reason. he's seriously damaged the US' global standing and diplomacy. We have ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY THOUSAND PEOPLE DEAD.

You are blaming Trump for “almost” starting wars when Obama started multiple ones and completely ruined Libya. I doubt you extend the same criticism to Obama though.

And Biden has moved to the left. The whole Democratic party has moved to the left. Biden HAS made concessions to the progressives. to say otherwise is just a lie. By the way, you know that Biden's healthcare plan is more popular than universal healthcare right? No, of course you don't. And the environment thing is equally as stupid. Are you aware of how many environmental policies from Obama/Biden Trump has dismantled? No, again, of course you don't, and if you do, you're being purposely disingenuous.

What fucking concessions has Biden made? Do you think Biden returning is to Obama era environmental policies is anywhere near enough? It isn’t why do you think we’re in this mess? Because of corporate clowns like Obama and Biden and Bush and Clinton and Reagan and Trump destroying the environment. Trump is probably the worst of the bunch for sure in this category I’ll give you that.

exactly. there was no reason to assume that, and there's no reason to assume it now either. to believe that the political system works like a perfect pendulum and ultimately things will be better if we allow them to get more fucked up first is magical thinking, i.e. there is no evidence whatsoever but it's just some fucking idea this guy has stuck in his head. Nixon didn't give us a progressive. Reagan didn't give us a progressive. W Bush didn't give us a progressive. But sure yeah, it's different this time squish. Maybe you could point out some historical examples of left wing democratic revolutions coming about in response to the right staging a fascist takeover cause I'm coming up blank.

Idk FDR was a response to the failure of a conservative President. There is a precedent there. Obama was a response to the failure of a conservative President. While Obama wasn’t a populist, he ran as one. Please give me examples of neoliberals like Biden leading to left wing populists getting the nomination because I just gave you two examples, even if Obama was a fake populist.

blatantly untrue, either by ignorance or purposeful falsehood. again, Trump has been frantically taking about environmental protection policies put into place by Obama/Biden for the last four years.

Trump being worse doesn’t mean Biden won’t still be destroying the planet.



you are a delusional self-obsessed baby.
Personal attacks because you can’t handle someone having a different opinion than you.

Responses in bold.

[redbreegull]

you are clearly prepared to say outright false things in defense of your idiocy. see ya fuzzy

[Disco King]

Originally Posted by Elphenor

I'm going to share it

Thank you, I love you

[Squish Squash]

“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Trump supporter”

Typical liberal.

[duovamp]

Got ourselves a proper bad faith discussion wherein we mischaracterize each other’s arguments.

[duovamp]

Let’s get back to talking about AOC sitting on my face while Joe video tapes it.

[Squish Squash]

Why would you want Joe Biden anywhere near you during intercourse?

[MyOneAndOnly]

i went to a Sanders rally in 2016. it was post convention and he was stumping for Clinton. He spoke for an hour. Great stump speech. The entire time a group of people were trying to disrupt his speech with "Bernie" signs. Outside the building more of them chanted anti Clinton nonsense as people filed out.

How does Sanders attract so many people who don't listen to a word he says?

[Squish Squash]

Originally Posted by MyOneAndOnly

i went to a Sanders rally in 2016. it was post convention and he was stumping for Clinton. He spoke for an hour. Great stump speech. The entire time a group of people were trying to disrupt his speech with "Bernie" signs. Outside the building more of them chanted anti Clinton nonsense as people filed out.

How does Sanders attract so many people who don't listen to a word he says?

Just because generally support his policies (although as I said I don’t think he goes nearly far enough) doesn’t mean we have to listen to everything the man says. To answer your question: Bernie attracts leftists. Leftists are often unlikely to vote for someone like Biden.

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Just because generally support his policies (although as I said I don’t think he goes nearly far enough) doesn’t mean we have to listen to everything the man says. To answer your question: Bernie attracts leftists. Leftists are often unlikely to vote for someone like Biden.

Do you care about every federal judge being a 30 year old fascist or what

[Elphenor]

95% or whatever of the country IS right wing, the US sux

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by Squish Squash

Why would you want Joe Biden anywhere near you during intercourse?

There would be no intercourse.

[FoolofaTook]

[Squish Squash]

Just in case you guys think I’m the epitome of insane radical left wing politics, someone accused me of being a liberal because I said Vladimir Lenin killing people for disagreeing with him was wrong.

[Elphenor]

tankies don't matter

you can be a radical left wing activist and still vote Biden