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Old 01-23-2008, 02:03 AM   #31
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Just thought y'all would like to know...

According to the new Under the Radar magazine I just got in my mailbox, Zeitgeist is the most overrated album of 2007, and here's what they had to say about it:

An insult and a farce in every way - from Billy Corgan's decision to "reunite" the band with only two of the original four members to the multiple album formats sold only at specific outlets - Zeitgeist is a pathetic attempt to revive a moribund career with flat riffs and self-important songwriting. The new costumes are pretty cool, though.
By Matt Fink


In case you're wondering, the rest of the Top 10 Overrated Albums of 2007 are:

2. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
3. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
4. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
5. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Some Loud Thunder
6. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings
7. Kings of Leon - Because of The Times
8. The View - Hats Off to the Buskers
9. No Age - Weirdo Rippers
10. The Field - From Here We Go Sublime
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HERE IS HIS MYSPACE: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=17334312

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Old 01-23-2008, 02:27 AM   #32
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Just thought y'all would like to know...

According to the new Under the Radar magazine I just got in my mailbox, Zeitgeist is the most overrated album of 2007, and here's what they had to say about it:

An insult and a farce in every way - from Billy Corgan's decision to "reunite" the band with only two of the original four members to the multiple album formats sold only at specific outlets - Zeitgeist is a pathetic attempt to revive a moribund career with flat riffs and self-important songwriting. The new costumes are pretty cool, though.
By Matt Fink


In case you're wondering, the rest of the Top 10 Overrated Albums of 2007 are:

2. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
3. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
4. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
5. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Some Loud Thunder
6. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings
7. Kings of Leon - Because of The Times
8. The View - Hats Off to the Buskers
9. No Age - Weirdo Rippers
10. The Field - From Here We Go Sublime
I agree with all those, The View's album is quite pleasant though.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:28 AM   #33
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no one overrated this album.
Actually I think many reviewers did when it was released. look at the ratings it got by some reviewers at release time, then look at the end of year lists where it doesn't feature on most of them at all.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:47 AM   #34
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Actually I think many reviewers did when it was released. look at the ratings it got by some reviewers at release time, then look at the end of year lists where it doesn't feature on most of them at all.
Citation or it isn't true

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:00 AM   #35
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Actually I think many reviewers did when it was released. look at the ratings it got by some reviewers at release time, then look at the end of year lists where it doesn't feature on most of them at all.
But the MOST overrated? It's mildly overrated at best, it got like 59% at metacritic.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:22 AM   #36
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if mccriricirick ate billy corgans turds he'll complain it tasted bad and blame billy for letting him do it.
I did eat Billy's turd, I'm just glad I didn't pay for it this time.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:25 AM   #37
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1 billy 1 cup?

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:27 AM   #38
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1 billy 1 cup?
I'd like to see that. I doubt he'd puke though. It'd stay down.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:28 AM   #39
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have you seen the kermit reaction?


yeah. it would be a lot like that

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 04:09 AM   #40
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ironic, coming from you.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:49 PM   #41
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Well, Rolling Stone, Spin, New York Times, Village Voice, Filter - it was well liked in certain quarters.

Actually, as I recall, take a look at the evolution of reactions to Zeitgeist. The first reviews I remember reading were, "Hmm, it's good. Nothing special, not ground-breaking, but good." Even Corgan detrators liked "Tarantula" in the press. But what happened here was a good case of mass-media personae overshadowing the work. Subsequent reviews were focused on Corgan's personality, and the fact that this wasn't a reunited band. Very little was focused on music: and say what you want about the music, but it truly is a collaborative album (very few of the negative reviews mention the drumming, an element which floored me). That so many of these negative reviews should not even take notice of Jimmy C. was a little troubling. It's like watching "There Will Be Blood" and not discussing Daniel Day-Lewis.

Not to harp on intellectual matters, but the point of "Zeitgeist" is tied in with the influence of media/videoscopy/public signifiers on the general populace. Corgan should be credited, in the titling of his record, with its reception, whether its content is good or bad. Two friends of mine, who were never Pumpkins fans (both are over 25), thought it was the album of the year. I wasn't willing to give it so much credit, but maybe there's something to the album.

Don't get me wrong. "American Gothic" is the shittiest thing Corgan's put out in his career.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:01 PM   #42
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don't give me that 'oh god' crap. you and i both know they exist, and they despise corgan (when they bother to give him a second thought). I've known plenty of them.
congratulations, you've joined the legions of nickelback and green day (which is pretty much the level SP are at right now) fans who view ''indie snobs'' in the exact same light.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:04 PM   #43
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seriously, its getting annoying.
you're becoming bitter.. must be the red stars

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:04 PM   #44
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the drumming is ridiculously cartoonish on zeitgeist

jesus, i love the excuses people are making in this thread for why zeitgeist tanked

because it was an ironic statement no one got...

because it was a calculated attempt to make the next forthcoming album sound good...

becuase billy's personae overshadowed the music...

Do you think if any of those were true that the quality of music would override those false pretenses? It doesn't because Zeitgeist is insanely mediocre and utterly forgettable.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:23 PM   #45
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2. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
3. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
4. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
5. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Some Loud Thunder
6. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings
7. Kings of Leon - Because of The Times
8. The View - Hats Off to the Buskers
9. No Age - Weirdo Rippers
10. The Field - From Here We Go Sublime
I have no idea what any of this stuff is.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 03:26 PM   #46
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Old 01-23-2008, 04:22 PM   #47
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it's overrated because some people like it?

sucks....

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 04:33 PM   #48
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i don't understand how this was overrated.
I can see SBS as one, but common.....and I LOVE WIlco.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:02 PM   #49
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Subsequent reviews were focused on Corgan's personality, and the fact that this wasn't a reunited band. Very little was focused on music: and say what you want about the music, but it truly is a collaborative album (very few of the negative reviews mention the drumming, an element which floored me). That so many of these negative reviews should not even take notice of Jimmy C. was a little troubling. It's like watching "There Will Be Blood" and not discussing Daniel Day-Lewis.

Not to harp on intellectual matters, but the point of "Zeitgeist" is tied in with the influence of media/videoscopy/public signifiers on the general populace. Corgan should be credited, in the titling of his record, with its reception, whether its content is good or bad. Two friends of mine, who were never Pumpkins fans (both are over 25), thought it was the album of the year. I wasn't willing to give it so much credit, but maybe there's something to the album.

Don't get me wrong. "American Gothic" is the shittiest thing Corgan's put out in his career.
just who the iha do you think you are

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:03 PM   #50
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also, i like how all the indie snobs (and most of netphoria) like to give them so much grief about reuniting with only two original members. As if countless bands hadn't done the same with little fanfare. Face it, billy's the guy journalists love to hate.
no, "countless bands" haven't done that, especially not after the same two memeber were a part of another "band" and a "solo record" in between that were both commercial and critical failures. if you're really too blind to see that the only reason that the band "reunited" is so that corgan could once again use the name and hope the unsuspecting public didn't realize there was no difference between this band and the two previous incarnations post-pumpkins, then i feel truly sorry for you.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:04 PM   #51
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what difference does it make what name he uses? why do you care so much? it's just a fucking name, it's not sacred. it's a stupid name, at that.

crowded house, inxs, duran duran, depeche mode, the doors, alice in chains, the pretenders, journey. those are some off the top of my head that reunited without original members. I'm sure there are many others, hence the word "countless"

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Old 01-23-2008, 08:06 PM   #52
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Do you think if any of those were true that the quality of music would override those false pretenses? It doesn't because Zeitgeist is insanely mediocre and utterly forgettable.
yeah. i hate to agree with this, but i sort of have to. I don't think it was horrible, I like some of the songs, but it is indeed mediocre. I'm sure if I weren't such a fan of the band, I wouldn't listened to it as much as I have. I don't think I've played it at all since I saw them in november.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:06 PM   #53
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what difference does it make what name he uses? why do you care so much? it's just a fucking name, it's not sacred. it's a stupid name, at that.
evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!ev ade!evade!

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:14 PM   #54
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Heh. Exactly.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:15 PM   #55
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congratulations, you've joined the legions of nickelback and green day (which is pretty much the level SP are at right now) fans who view ''indie snobs'' in the exact same light.
hey, some of my best friends are indie snobs, unfortunately. I'd say you have no idea how I view them.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:17 PM   #56
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evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!evade!ev ade!evade!
is this some reference to something that i'm supposed to understand?

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:20 PM   #57
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you pathetic bitch

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:24 PM   #58
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whatever pal.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:31 PM   #59
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what difference does it make what name he uses? why do you care so much? it's just a fucking name, it's not sacred. it's a stupid name, at that.

crowded house, inxs, duran duran, depeche mode, the doors, alice in chains, the pretenders, journey. those are some off the top of my head that reunited without original members. I'm sure there are many others, hence the word "countless"
you forgot about gwar.

do fans of other bands get all up in arms about old members? like the cure. are they all pissed that smith keeps putting out records with different members? or morbid angel? is this really that upsetting?

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:32 PM   #60
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apparently it's one of the 7 deadly sins.

 
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