NPR First Listen: William Patrick Corgan - Ogilala

[cork_soaker]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

i'm waiting for the appearance of the cd in the one-dollar bin, in a week or three.

you don't have dollars, you've never had dollars

lying little shit with your bullshit currency

[fuzzyroes]

That's actually a pretty spot-on review from Pitchfork.

"That focus can be a revelation for an iconic presence like Cash or Neil Diamond, but Corgan’s presence has never been his draw. Smashing Pumpkins’ hook was the spectacle—the guitars, the fury, the sensory wonder—not the adenoidal outcast at the center of it all"

"And so Ogilala holes up listeners for 40 drumless minutes in close proximity to a voice that even diehards can only tolerate so much of. “Take me as I am,” Corgan sings over strummed guitars and faint washes of synths on “The Spaniards,” one of the record’s many confessional songs that doesn’t actually confess anything. "

That's one of my points of contention with the album too. It's like the albums supposed to be some deep statement, but he's not really saying much of anything.

[fuzzyroes]

"The album really should be more interesting than this, because Billy Corgan, for better or worse, is more interesting than this."

Couldn't sum it up any better myself.

[FoolofaTook]

That's total fucking bullshit. That awesome dark romantic melancholy vibe that suffused classic tsp: billy corgan like it or not.

Those who live by the bElly
die by the bElly

[FoolofaTook]

Also back off of adenoidal outcasts, bitches.

[Jelly Blossom]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

...the albums supposed to be some deep statement, but he's not really saying much of anything.

That actually sums up every lyric Billy's ever written pretty well.

[FoolofaTook]

More bullshit. Read the lyrics to Methusela and realize your ERROR

[FoolofaTook]

If you have to go
don't say goodbye
if you have to go
don't you cry
if you have to go
i will get by

someday ill follow you and meet you on the other side

So simple and so effective. Both of you suck btw.

[Mals Marola]

Originally Posted by pavementtune

how is it weird that journo A gave Zeitgeist a 4.9, journo B reviewed Monuments with a 6, and this one gave Ogi a (fair, to me) 5.7?

i think he was just referring to the one reviewer, who insinuated that everything TSP did after Zeitgeist was better than Zeitgeist

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

That's actually a pretty spot-on review from Pitchfork.

"That focus can be a revelation for an iconic presence like Cash or Neil Diamond, but Corgan’s presence has never been his draw. Smashing Pumpkins’ hook was the spectacle—the guitars, the fury, the sensory wonder—not the adenoidal outcast at the center of it all"

"And so Ogilala holes up listeners for 40 drumless minutes in close proximity to a voice that even diehards can only tolerate so much of. “Take me as I am,” Corgan sings over strummed guitars and faint washes of synths on “The Spaniards,” one of the record’s many confessional songs that doesn’t actually confess anything. "

That's one of my points of contention with the album too. It's like the albums supposed to be some deep statement, but he's not really saying much of anything.

yeah the album isn't deep whatsoever, i dont think anyone on here was arguing that it is. compared to monuments though it's like the atlantic ocean

[VoxUpDoc]

Just for comparison...

TFE charted at #31
Zeitgeist charted at #2
Oceania charted at #4
Monuments charted #33
Ogilala charted #183

A shame I guess because Ogilala is by some distance the best of these five albums.

[Ram27]

charts are bullshit though

good music is good music regardless of how many other people feel the same way

[amoergosum]

Tonight, WPC will return to late night television to perform "The Spaniards" on @latelateshow with James Corden with help from Jade Puget from @AFI. Tune in to CBS at 12:37am/11:37pm C to catch the performance. https://t.co/08n2T6I41g pic.twitter.com/02Dc9o8vHk

— WPC (@Billy) November 8, 2017

[enthusaroo]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Tonight, WPC will return to late night television to perform "The Spaniards" on @latelateshow with James Corden with help from Jade Puget from @AFI. Tune in to CBS at 12:37am/11:37pm C to catch the performance. https://t.co/08n2T6I41g pic.twitter.com/02Dc9o8vHk

— WPC (@Billy) November 8, 2017

Oh fuck, not again. Give it up, Billy.

[fuzzyroes]

Man, James Corden is like the least funny late night host.

[Funbags]

Jade Puget? Wtf is this real life anymore?

[fuzzyroes]

lmao. Fuck dude, Corgans just desperate as shit for press these days. That's really all it comes down to
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...wKb1DSsmRnwv-Q

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...peape188YO2dEi

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Funbags

Jade Puget? Wtf is this real life anymore?

[themadcaplaughs]

I was really prepared for the worst in this performance, but I actually enjoyed it. Having a second guitarist allowed Corgan to do some lead work, which sounded nice. I would actually prefer more arrangements similar to this on the tour.

[New Art Rioter]

No Jeff! AFI guy's timing is all over the place, sounds a bit unrehearsed

[VoxUpDoc]

I just hate that song. The chorus is a complete dud. I think it's the worst on the album, and I feel really positive about the album overall.

Zowie or The Processional would've been better.

[Brisk]

Who the fuck is that dude.

Yes the song is awful, the chorus is total dud. I agree worst on the album.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by Brisk

Who the fuck is that dude.

jeff? who is jeff?

[FoolofaTook]

He's "the shroeder".

[FoolofaTook]

Jeff "the shroeder" Shredder.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

Jeff "the shroeder" Shredder.

your doing it wrong!

[DaveKShape]

It's kind of a nice moment when the crowd hears that familiar Corgan voice and gets amped. I wonder if they were bummed at the next 3 1/2 minutes.

[ButtHash]

I'm pretty sure they were instructed to do that

[FoolofaTook]

"that familiar Corgan voice"

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by ButtHash

I'm pretty sure they were instructed to do that

I'm surprised at how good the production was for this. He's got like, audience members surrounding him for those intimate moodz.