U.S. fatalities in war exceed those from Sept. 11

[homechicago]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14959937/

most of those deaths in a country that had nothing to do with 911.

NOTHING http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/....ap/index.html

[redbull]

i dont really see the correlation here? what is the point besides that its a number

[sppunk]

OK?

More peope died of cancer, too. Let's make a post about how cancer research funding is a joke and most organizations established for it are criminal in intent.

[homechicago]

i'm only wondering how many dead it will take to fully avenge the death of 3000. will it be 10, 20, 50 thousand?

i think it's tragic that it's "just a number" to some people. war isn't hereditary or caused by the sun, so i do think dying in iraq is different from cancer. and i too think most of cancer research is a joke. such a small percentage of donation money and fundraising goes to actual research - the "Y me" group here in chicago is more of a socialite club with fancy expensive galas.

isn't a soldier's life as important as a world trade employee's life? i think so.

[JokeyLoki]

Originally Posted by homechicago

i'm only wondering how many dead it will take to fully avenge the death of 3000. will it be 10, 20, 50 thousand?

i think it's tragic that it's "just a number" to some people. war isn't hereditary or caused by the sun, so i do think dying in iraq is different from cancer. and i too think most of cancer research is a joke. such a small percentage of donation money and fundraising goes to actual research - the "Y me" group here in chicago is more of a socialite club with fancy expensive galas.

isn't a soldier's life as important as a world trade employee's life? i think so.

Originally Posted by GrungeGuy

Are you a retard?

[homechicago]

Originally Posted by *************

the war in iraq has nothing to do with 9-11. it has to do with getting rid of a dictator and introducing democracy. so why even post the numbers if they don't have anything to do with 9-11? seriously, why?

there are dictators more threatening than saddam was. the war began because supposedly there were wmd's that were going to blow us up if we didn't go there. the president linked the need for war to 911.

"On September the 11th, we learned that America must confront threats before they reach our shores, whether those threats come from terrorist networks or terrorist states. I'm often asked why we're in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The answer is that the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear threat. My administration, the Congress, and the United Nations saw the threat -- and after 9/11, Saddam's regime posed a risk that the world could not afford to take. The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power. And now the challenge is to help the Iraqi people build a democracy that fulfills the dreams of the nearly 12 million Iraqis who came out to vote in free elections last December. " http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060911-3.html

afghanistan, saudi arabia, pakistan, are countries where terrorists came from and are coming from, and north korea and iran pose a serious threat to the u.s., and now that my cousin is entering his third tour in iraq, i'm asking "what for?"

i'm sincerely asking what will be the end point of this invasion? w should have had a real plan for success, and iraq should have a functioning army by now if all of the people really wanted to protect their land in a free democratic society. when will they stand up and take charge? saddam is gone, he can't threaten people, so when does our occupation end? "we won't cut and run" isn't a plan. slogans aren't changing anything.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by sppunk

OK?

More peope died of cancer, too. Let's make a post about how cancer research funding is a joke and most organizations established for it are criminal in intent.

Well they are, aren't they?

[Nimrod's Son]

hey more people died at normandy than pearl harbor, and that was onle ONE battle in an unrelated conflict during the same time period

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

hey more people died at normandy than pearl harbor, and that was onle ONE battle in an unrelated conflict during the same time period

the fuck are you smoking.

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Debaser

the fuck are you smoking.

it's about as pertinent as the original post

[Debaser]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

it's about as pertinent as the original post

Germany, supporting Japan, declared war on the United States right after Pearl Harbor. So Normandy is related to Pearl Harbor. Go read a fucking history book.

[Nimrod's Son]

nevermind.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

nevermind.

Hallmark of conceit.

[JokeyLoki]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

Hallmark of conceit.

Guy shows up once every six months and trolls the politics board. Ignore.

[wally]

hey guys, let's debate if the war was worth it or not!

[BlueStar]

Originally Posted by homechicago

isn't a soldier's life as important as a world trade employee's life? i think so.

Key word here is "soldier". A soldier's life is not any less or more important than any other person's life, but it is also part of a soldier's job description to fight and risk his or her life.

Originally Posted by homechicago

On September the 11th, we learned that America must confront threats before they reach our shores, whether those threats come from terrorist networks or terrorist states. I'm often asked why we're in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The answer is that the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear threat. My administration, the Congress, and the United Nations saw the threat -- and after 9/11, Saddam's regime posed a risk that the world could not afford to take.

That does not illustrate a link between 9/11 and Iraq. It illustrates the change in mindset as a result of 9/11. Iraq and 9/11 are not directly related. And even if they were, to compare the death numbers from one to the other is stupid.

Originally Posted by homechicago

i'm sincerely asking what will be the end point of this invasion? so when does our occupation end? "we won't cut and run" isn't a plan.

The conflict will "end" and no longer be a political issue when most of the fighting ceases. The occupation has no foreseeable end. The U.S. military will occupy Iraq indefinitely. And the plan is not simply "we won't cut and run". I hate to be the one to break this to you, but military plans are not public knowledge and are not something the press and Congress are privy to. Now, of course, we can, based on news reports, say that the plan (whatever it may or may not be) is not working, but we cannot say there is no plan or that the plan is simply this or that. Frankly, the best solution for a new/better plan is a new administration.

[FlyinLo_DyinSlo]

sept 11 arab casualties: <12
sept 11 american casualties: >2000

war in iraq arab casualties: >50,000
war in iraq american casualties: ~2000

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by Nimrod's Son

Guy shows up once every six months and trolls the politics board. Ignore.

Yeah that's what it is dude. It's not that you said something retarded and then play it off like people don't understand the point you're making.

[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by *************

the war in iraq has nothing to do with 9-11.

[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by *************

the war in iraq has nothing to do with 9-11.

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[ravenguy2000]

Originally Posted by *************

the war in iraq has nothing to do with 9-11.

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[Travis Meeks]

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