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Old 08-18-2020, 11:31 AM   #151
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You would be telling me to vote for Voldemort if he was running against Palpatine because “well less people will die”.
unfortunately this is real life and not Rowling/Lucas fan fic

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:37 AM   #152
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imma man up and straight up lay it out for ya'll


original star wars >>>>>>> harry's pooter

4 real. i play no games.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:44 AM   #153
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Harry Pothead and the Sorcerer’s Stoned

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:47 AM   #154
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I feel we're at least 5 years away from Took picking some of the books up on a whim and doing a full 180

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:48 AM   #155
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Just ignore everything J.K. Rowling ever said or did.

The Harry Potter books manuscripts were found in a cave and unfortunately remain unsigned, it's like a gift.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:50 AM   #156
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Can we talk about what a FUCK that dickhead GRRM is for blue balling us for a decade?

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:50 AM   #157
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The biggest problem for left/socialist activism in the United States has always been an inability to understand or navigate party coalitions and Democratic Party intra-party politics. That refusal to engage with the grassroots of the Democratic Party has left Socialists and other Left groups small and powerless.

Decisions in American politics are made within interest groups in coalition. This is how every major successful political movement in the USA has affected change. This is how Fundamentalists and Extreme right groups took over the Republican party. Most power and decision making is made at the Primary stage.

This is why Sanders works within the Democratic Party, and doesn't run for President as an Independent.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:58 AM   #158
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Just ignore everything J.K. Rowling ever said or did.

The Harry Potter books manuscripts were found in a cave and unfortunately remain unsigned, it's like a gift.
She's been in Iceland the past few weeks relaxing on a 200ft Super Yacht. Apparently Iceland is a popular place right now for Billionaires and Oligarchs who want to escape the COVID games in their home countries.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...uperyacht.html

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A source told the publication: 'They sailed to Holmavik in the Calypso, which was previously owned by the Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov, after catching a private jet to Reykjavik.'

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:08 PM   #159
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She's been in Iceland the past few weeks relaxing on a 200ft Super Yacht. Apparently Iceland is a popular place right now for Billionaires and Oligarchs who want to escape the COVID games in their home countries.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...uperyacht.html
If it keeps her from tweeting bullshit, i'll take it.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:33 PM   #160
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I feel we're at least 5 years away from Took picking some of the books up on a whim and doing a full 180
I read them all.

Who do you take me for, a fool??

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:44 PM   #161
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The biggest problem for left/socialist activism in the United States has always been an inability to understand or navigate party coalitions and Democratic Party intra-party politics. That refusal to engage with the grassroots of the Democratic Party has left Socialists and other Left groups small and powerless.

Decisions in American politics are made within interest groups in coalition. This is how every major successful political movement in the USA has affected change. This is how Fundamentalists and Extreme right groups took over the Republican party. Most power and decision making is made at the Primary stage.

This is why Sanders works within the Democratic Party, and doesn't run for President as an Independent.
No lie detected. The US system of government is literally designed to foil factional groups. And the left doesn’t do much to sell itself to centrist democrats. The most vocal on the left are intransigent, see this thread

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 12:59 PM   #162
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*Starting in 2024

You omit the suffering that would occur in the mean time, which adds to the total net suffering
And I’m sure you’ll be completely baffled when Tucker Carlson beats Kamala in 2024

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:01 PM   #163
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The biggest problem for left/socialist activism in the United States has always been an inability to understand or navigate party coalitions and Democratic Party intra-party politics. That refusal to engage with the grassroots of the Democratic Party has left Socialists and other Left groups small and powerless.

Decisions in American politics are made within interest groups in coalition. This is how every major successful political movement in the USA has affected change. This is how Fundamentalists and Extreme right groups took over the Republican party. Most power and decision making is made at the Primary stage.

This is why Sanders works within the Democratic Party, and doesn't run for President as an Independent.
Yeah and how’d that work out for Bernie? Whenever he’s about to win the nomination, they just cheat him out of it.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:35 PM   #164
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Yeah and how’d that work out for Bernie? Whenever he’s about to win the nomination, they just cheat him out of it.
he has never been that close to the nomination. He lost each time. closest he got was 3 million votes short. He stays in the game though because he understands coalition politics and his influence on the party.

This is why he doesn't simply run a General election campaign as an Independent

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:42 PM   #165
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And the left doesn’t do much to sell itself to centrist democrats.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:42 PM   #166
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not left

not right

not center

forward

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 02:00 PM   #167
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And I’m sure you’ll be completely baffled when Tucker Carlson beats Kamala in 2024
I’ll take the money and run before it comes to that.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 03:33 PM   #168
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Well technically he’s right in that they cater to RIGHT WING Democrats instead of actual centrists.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 03:33 PM   #169
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I’ll take the money and run before it comes to that.
Why did Trump win in 2016?

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 03:47 PM   #170
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doesn't Bernie still losing after 4 years of Trump outright disprove that the DNC is about to "learn its lesson"

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:10 PM   #171
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only if you believe Sanders is the lesson.

He can't even get half of Dem primary voters to support him.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:20 PM   #172
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Why did Trump win in 2016?
Luck
Comey's Letter
voter suppression
half a decade of radical gerrymandering of formerly competitive blue states
collusion with Russia
racism
misogyny
xenophobia
the fact that the Electoral College is historically rigged to favor Slave States
voters rewarding 30 years of Republican smears and lies about Clinton
Clinton campaign's errors in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:27 PM   #173
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It’s almost as if historical events have multiple causes echoing back through eternity.

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:30 PM   #174
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are you sure it's not class traitors and boot licking lackeys to the bourgeoisie

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:32 PM   #175
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It’s because white American suburban women aren’t communists like me! REEEEEE

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 04:46 PM   #176
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sad but true. add "white women" to the list!

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 06:24 PM   #177
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All I’m saying is it is a losing strategy to keep running establishment shills against the new populist right. If Biden wins because Trump was enough of a moron to hand him the election on a silver platter due to his inept handling of the pandemic, Kamala will get eviscerated by Tucker Carlson or Josh Hawley in 2024 and you will all once again blame people like me instead of realizing the real problems.
I'm not understanding the logic here. Given two options, one shouldn't vote against having the worse one in the near term if there is no guarantee that doing so won't prevent similarly poor options from ever winning again in any future term, even though letting the worse option win in the near term also doesn't guarantee that similarly bad options will never win again in any future term?

 
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Old 08-18-2020, 08:38 PM   #178
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The biggest difference between now and 2016 is no on one has to wonder how Trump will govern. Of course it was obvious before he was elected, but now there's no excuse

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Old 08-18-2020, 09:13 PM   #179
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The biggest difference between now and 2016 is no on one has to wonder how Trump will govern. Of course it was obvious before he was elected, but now there's no excuse
If Trump governed the way I thought he would in 2016 (i.e. starting a nuclear war and/or world war 3) I’d be much more willing to consider Biden. But he’s been a pretty typical Republican in terms of his tax cuts, corporate nonsense and deregulation. I’d say he’s actually pretty good for a Republican President in terms of foreign military policy, although he’s undoubtedly still an evil war criminal. He’s also done a few good things such as some prison reform and some leftist stances on trade. Is Trump awful? Absolutely, but he is not enough of an existential threat for me to consider Biden. Both of them will continue hurting the planet and country. I will ask you guys this, if there are people like me holding out for Biden to support progressive policies, why can’t he support even ONE of those policies? What does he have to lose by supporting universal healthcare? I will never vote for anyone who doesn’t support universal healthcare again in my life unless the other candidate is actually Hitler.

 
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He fucked over the entire world with our COVID-19 response, what are you fucking on about. That alone should be enough

200k people by the end of the year (or way before) will have died in the USA, the vast majority of which could have been prevented

 
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