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Old 07-12-2017, 09:51 PM   #31
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Pretty sure he wrote the whole thing for her. It's definitely an SP power-pop record in spirit.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:52 PM   #32
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Billy never got to make a Cheap Trick album with his band, so he made one with hers.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:54 PM   #33
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I wouldn't be surprised if he arranged 3/4 of it. I'm sure someone can pull some choice quotes. I remember one about her just having a few riffs and pieces before he came in.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:56 PM   #34
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What do you think the closest SP song is to a cheap trick tribute? I'd have to go with transformer or glass theme.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:58 PM   #35
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Honestly, I never really considered it before now. I always thought it applied to Celebrity Skin though.

I dunno, let me sleep on it and get back to you. In the meantime, please feel free to beat off to my new avatar.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:01 PM   #36
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DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:35 PM   #37
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I wouldn't be surprised if he arranged 3/4 of it. I'm sure someone can pull some choice quotes. I remember one about her just having a few riffs and pieces before he came in.
i don't have time to find it now, but i remember reading a confession or entry or ellipsis filled monologue where he definitely went on record saying something along those lines. he bitched about writing the whole thing for her and not even receiving credit, because that's how awesome he is. or something.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:40 PM   #38
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i don't feel like working so, quick findings.

this was a series of what i call BITTER TWITTER posts from Birry Corgdman, aimed at Courtney:

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"Thought #1: my face is my face, my heart is my heart, my money is my money. Oh, and my songs are MY songs+If you can't write your own songs?"

"Thought #2: if you can't write your own songs maybe you should just be happy that you fooled someone into doing your work for you..."

"Thought #3: maybe you should go somewhere nice+live off your husband's money, u know the money he made for writing all those great songs."

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:05 PM   #39
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Ive had fights with close ex-gfs like that. Thankfully not in public.

 
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Old 07-12-2017, 11:20 PM   #40
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this was worth doing just for this amazing screenshot


 
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:36 AM   #41
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that's got nothing to do with it - her notes don't even come out sounding right, it's all muted and buzzing and shitty due to bad left hand chording.

this seems allllmost real to me - although i sort of agree with turdlion it kinda has that shred video vibe.
like, who would even bother making up this story and playing shitty guitar and bothering to sync it up so accurately?
....then again, it's the internet. so who knows.

what bugged me, though, was that she stops playing and puts both her hands up in the air multiple times during the course of the song, and there is no feedbacking or even pickup noise whatsoever. that's what kills it for me, and makes me think it might be fake. we don't even need to assume she's too fucked up to bother with a volume knob, you can see she's not even reaching for it
lack of feedback is really weird

just the fact that he has the isolated vocals as well vouches a ton for the guitar being real, though. even if that wasn't the real track, i can't imagine the actual one would sound much better; her playing looks really sloppy

that paris video where she could barely play it was aug 26 2010, the iso one is sept 11 2010. sounds like she actually got worse over the two weeks

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:40 AM   #42
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it's a piss easy song though i mean holy shit

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you'd have to do a lot of drugs to not be able to play it. fuckin chamberlin was on the smack doing 30 minute silverfucks every night

i don't even care that she can't play it really, it's just lame and not very punk rock to have a prop guitar

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Old 07-13-2017, 12:41 AM   #43
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I think a more important question is how much did BC really write for the Celebrity Skin LP?

His style seems to be all over that album.
On Discogs, Corgan is credited for the music on 5 tracks...
https://www.discogs.com/Hole-Celebri...release/367738

But I imagine he more involvement than just the 5 songs credited.

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:04 AM   #44
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This is uh, fun.


 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:21 PM   #45
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I wouldn't be surprised if he arranged 3/4 of it. I'm sure someone can pull some choice quotes. I remember one about her just having a few riffs and pieces before he came in.
Billy certainly had a major role (five songwriting credits, played bass on two songs, creative guru to Courtney). He definitely arranged most or all of Malibu (the best song). The guitar on the demo of Dying is probably Billy too, and I really like it.

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:31 PM   #46
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no, an MTV Unplugged set in 1996 would've been incredible. Given that it was cancelled before the NYC OD, I think Billy might've been self conscious about being underprepared - they hadn't done an acoustic set since early May 1996, the day after Jimmy and Jonathan's second OD in Lisbon. They did that Triple J acoustic set earlier in March, but that was it.

More importantly though, MTV Unplugged was super high stakes, and part of me thinks that Corgan was reluctant to go through with it knowing how legendary Nirvana's performance was, and how their set would inevitably compared negatively to Nirvana's. just my 2 cents

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:36 PM   #47
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no, an MTV Unplugged set in 1996 would've been incredible. Given that it was cancelled before the NYC OD, I think Billy might've been self conscious about being underprepared - they hadn't done an acoustic set since early May 1996, the day after Jimmy and Jonathan's second OD in Lisbon. They did that Triple J acoustic set earlier in March, but that was it.

More importantly though, MTV Unplugged was super high stakes, and part of me thinks that Corgan was reluctant to go through with it knowing how legendary Nirvana's performance was, and how their set would inevitably compared negatively to Nirvana's. just my 2 cents
and a whole fucking acoustic set every night of the first leg of the 1996 tour duh

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:37 PM   #48
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the specific songs Celebrity Skin and Malibu are probably better than anything on Monuments, besides Tiberius, maybe drum/fife

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:37 PM   #49
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This is uh, fun.

who the hell does this appeal to

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:39 PM   #50
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What I'm saying is that it wouldn't sound quite as shitty with fuzz or whatever on top.

I've heard isolated sources like this before and I'm certainly not calling her a talented guitar player but everyone knows you can get away with shitty technique when you're using effects. What you are hearing is completely dry with zero effects. No one in the club heard that except the soundman when he got home.

This is not exactly an isolated incident. Plenty of bands would sound this terrible if you took the effects away from the front person.
yeah but also the guitar is out of tune, but even beyond the tuning it sounds like she's playing wrong notes, and most importantly her rhythm and "touch" and the way she's voicing the chords is fuuuucked

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:01 PM   #51
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i dunno man, that '93 "Black Sessions" show is magnificent

man i haven't listened to that in ages. who would have thought 20 something years ago you'd find yourself having to explain why you like the pumpkins compared to their contemporaries.

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:27 PM   #52
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no, an MTV Unplugged set in 1996 would've been incredible. Given that it was cancelled before the NYC OD, I think Billy might've been self conscious about being underprepared - they hadn't done an acoustic set since early May 1996, the day after Jimmy and Jonathan's second OD in Lisbon. They did that Triple J acoustic set earlier in March, but that was it.

More importantly though, MTV Unplugged was super high stakes, and part of me thinks that Corgan was reluctant to go through with it knowing how legendary Nirvana's performance was, and how their set would inevitably compared negatively to Nirvana's. just my 2 cents
I can't tell if it was reported on July 4 or meant to be filmed then. Last acoustic set was at Brixton in mid May. Really good point about the Nirvana thing

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:26 PM   #53
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the nirvana thing had already come out 2 years prior...

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:51 PM   #54
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and now that courtney guitar is for sale via billy. wonder if it's a cruel joke as it seems oddly placed in his collection.

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:52 PM   #55
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are you reading my posts billy

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:00 PM   #56
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it's a really nice guitar though. the one the lead guitarist has in that video is too. i have the epiphone version. black with a white pickguard. super sexy

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:30 PM   #57
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Ur mom is super sexy

 
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Old 07-13-2017, 11:51 PM   #58
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good post

 
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:01 AM   #59
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what if noonoo is billy

 
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:34 PM   #60
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the specific songs Celebrity Skin and Malibu are probably better than anything on Monuments, besides Tiberius, maybe drum/fife
Hit So Hard belongs on that list too. Aeroplane-style guitar intro, arrangement reminiscent of peak Pumpkins, and very Billy-esque lyrics ("The one I love I should destroy", "I look at him and drown", "He rages to be true").

 
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