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Old 07-08-2017, 12:33 AM   #31
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In hindsight it's easy to say this is where it all went wrong. Billy wanted to have his American Idiot -moment SO bad. His knack for composition was still there, sorta, but ever since Zeitgeist, the lyrics have been painfully sub-par. Compare that shit to Machina even.

That being said, I enjoyed some live stuff a lot. Even with faceless session musicians, in their best moments, they could still bring the magic for that tour:






 
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Old 07-08-2017, 12:50 PM   #32
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Yeah, Zeitgeist definitely felt to me like Billy trying to make his own American Idiot and failing terribly.

 
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Old 07-08-2017, 04:35 PM   #33
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Back then I had friends. And what did I do? Play Zeitgeist to them.

Jesus Mary and Joseph!

 
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:10 PM   #34
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even at his peak i don't think he could've written political angst type stuff

 
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Old 07-08-2017, 09:43 PM   #35
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:00 PM   #36
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I suppose that is in fact quite good.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 04:04 AM   #37
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:09 AM   #38
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Apparently, Jeff has been a pumpkin for more than 10 years, longer than Darcy was.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:11 AM   #39
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A fact that totally means something.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:11 AM   #40
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And then you flip the page and there's some huge muscle-builder and then there's a picture of Paris Hilton. Super deep shit man
Super deep.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 05:18 PM   #41
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stellar is DYING for butch siamese dream vocals. "the wait hurts worse" parts sounds awful
Yup. Needs some better vocals and it's perfect. There's no way RTB produced it though, it has a lushness the rest doesn't. There was an interesting sound going on...it just needed some fucking dynamics and Corgan not singing like shit. He was really creative at this period, think of all the music released.

And SuperChrist was legit. Just needed some better fucking vocals. I love trippy psychedelic shit though.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:45 PM   #42
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Stellar and Superchrist both slay. The metal parts of Gossamer too. There was still a little light left.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 06:48 PM   #43
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A fact that totally means something.
Unfortunatelty, my beloved brother in bamophet glaming flobes, it does mean something: that b0lli is more interested in selling out than staying true to his heart.

 
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:12 PM   #44
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tomorrow is actually the 10th anniversary of Z's release. I saw the band at the record release show at 9:30 in DC and yeah they were really good. Gossamer went on for like 40 minutes and the crowd thinned. It was way way way too long. But it was worth staying through because they closed with Fuck You

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:56 AM   #45
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Yeah I was pretty excited for Z tbh. downloaded the first show. watched netphoria crash lol.

i think if tsp jusy stayed billy and jimmy plus hella drugs they would have pwned. also if they struck up a friendship with Boris it would have helped. i imagine loyts pof drugs would be involved in that as well.

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:00 AM   #46
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How was F U rbg? As good as Myanmar?


 
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:25 AM   #47
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what's stupid is i'd happily stay and watch d'arcy and james and jimmy and billy jam for 40 minutes. even though they're collectively less talented or whatever

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:39 AM   #48
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How was F U rbg? As good as Myanmar?

lol no

I was so pumped about Z coming out. I listened to that Paris show a ton of times. I listened to it throughout the day before the show on 7.10.07 and I think that was when I started to accept that this was not the same band as the old SP. I wanted to like the album so much that I kind of convinced myself it was really good for a while, but even at the beginning some of the songs couldn't do it for me. Starz? Come On Let's Go? sorry Bill, this was the beginning of the end.

the show was still fucking awesome though, there was a barbershop quartet that sang them on and then the lights went out and Jimmy started drumming in the dark and balloons came down from the ceiling. They were actually originally going to film some kind of video outside the club and they gave the crowd "protest signs" and shit like that (I still have one) and Billy showed up in some kind of crazy classic car wearing like a fuckin' robe with stars and moons or some shit, but nothing ever came of it.

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:38 AM   #49
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:06 AM   #50
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fuck gerard drouot!

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:34 AM   #51
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...from the first Zeitgeist show:











 
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:05 PM   #52
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Old 07-10-2017, 02:43 PM   #53
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The stolen photographs...multiple colors of multiple editions...Mayday...

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 03:53 PM   #54
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...from the first Zeitgeist show:










I forgot how fucking blown away I was when this show happened. There was so much hype and potential

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:00 PM   #55
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so any word on the reissue?

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:01 PM   #56
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could have been released on 7/7/17... since it was an actual release day

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:36 PM   #57
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:26 PM   #58
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Whoa there, spamoergosum. Ah hoy hoy? One knows not which to watch first.

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:29 PM   #59
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Got an Untitled in your cache stash? I quite like Lisa's noodling...even if Kahlo doesn't and has a thing for Garson.

 
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:55 PM   #60
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Even though the album ended up being kind of shitty, the build-up and subsequent tour was exciting and fun to follow. There was still aura and mystique. It really was something else to see B0ll and Jim play things like 33, Set the Ray to Jerry, and even Cherub Rock because those songs had seemed "off limits" for a long time. Now that I'm thinking of it, those setlists were fucking great for fans like us and did not deserve backlash.

20th anniversary tour/GLOW in 2008 is where shit started to get real sour. The Manson tour felt like a step in the right direction and then the plainsong thing was cool. And now, with rumblings of an OG lineup reunion, I'm starting to feel that very specific pumpkins vibe we've gotten flashes of since '07. I (perhaps foolishly) have hope we are on the cusp of something cool.

 
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