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Old 07-06-2017, 02:08 PM   #31
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white spyder and love could of been great if it weren't for all the added distortion. same with tales of a scorched earth
yes on the first, NOOOO on the second

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:09 PM   #32
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I wish the MSOTS album was just one 60 minute version of MSOTS.
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:11 PM   #33
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oh god I meant Spaceboy not Disarm

it appears i have been made quite the fool. the april fool, as it were
eh I do appreciate the slide guitar version, but the mellotron really makes the song IMO

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:50 PM   #34
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I would eliminate the whooshing noises in the background of Behold! The arrangement of the song overall is great, but they added too many sounds in ProTools.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 03:30 PM   #35
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i wish billy would put his vocals lower in the mix on all songs post 2005

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 04:05 PM   #36
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Has anyone dogged Ram for typing PUNPKINS in the title yet?

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:19 PM   #37
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it appears i have been made quite the fool. the april fool, as it were
it's july now.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:19 PM   #38
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Has anyone dogged Ram for typing PUNPKINS in the title yet?
metaboarding trolling obvs

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:22 PM   #39
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farewell and goodnight: will wash away the pain
that addition of the pain has always irked me; so out of place
is it james or jimmy? i thought jimmy but what do i know

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:24 PM   #40
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It's jimmy

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:34 PM   #41
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does it also annoy you?
it's like he's trying to sing along, but then ends up singing behind the rest.
i mean, i know it's not, but it doesn't seem to work for me.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:51 PM   #42
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always thought it was iha. they do have very similar voices. and the same name

now which one was singing on go

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:58 PM   #43
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does it also annoy you?
it's like he's trying to sing along, but then ends up singing behind the rest.
i mean, i know it's not, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
I always liked that part. Seemed like a casual afterthought in its delivery.

Not sure how many of those words will translate to your language.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:06 PM   #44
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does it also annoy you?
it's like he's trying to sing along, but then ends up singing behind the rest.
i mean, i know it's not, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
Absolutely, it has always sounded like a mistake to me as well, even though I know its not. As for who it is, I'd say Jimmy.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:57 PM   #45
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does it also annoy you?
it's like he's trying to sing along, but then ends up singing behind the rest.
i mean, i know it's not, but it doesn't seem to work for me.
the way the vocals are produced/recorded/mixed on this track always bugged me

incredibly unprofessional and hacked

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:02 PM   #46
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Porcelina needed to be 'wetter' and more synth-y/pad-y

Ava Adore may have not aged so atrociously if it had a better arrangement

Imploding Voice suffered a horrible arrangement. i was surprised to discover it's actually a decent song when listening to an acoustic rendition on the Arising tour

Zeitgeist should have never existed

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:06 PM   #47
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the way the vocals are produced/recorded/mixed on this track always bugged me

incredibly unprofessional and hacked
aw that's why it's so endearing. I think it is honestly just the product of trying to have 4 bad singers' voices heard simultaneously.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:53 PM   #48
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the parts where the all sing together is actually what's least lacking.

the individual parts is where it falls short. there are huge colour/tone and volume differences between the different singers, and it sounds wildly inconsistent, weak and untreated. no compression, no short delay to give it some body, nothing. it's just raw vocal tracks. one especially bad moment is when jimmy starts singing one of the lines off mic and you can hear him turn his head around to face the mic, so it kinda fades in. what kind of a fucking producer allows something like that, is beyond me

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:56 PM   #49
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the same kind of producer who dismisses TAFH for being "too metal"

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:58 PM   #50
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i don't like the production on MCIS very much but i've never had a problem with f+g. it's meant to be a rough little lullabye

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:01 PM   #51
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i don't like the production on MCIS very much but i've never had a problem with f+g. it's meant to be a rough little lullabye
yeah I like it the way it is too. I even like when Jimmy fucks up and sings "wash away the pain"

It is done amateurishly, and my guess is it must have been left like that on purpose, so it sounds like the four of them just sat down and did it. I love how the song fades into the piano outro

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:01 PM   #52
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Production on MCIS is pretty superb for what it is I thought the whole point was to go for a much more raw take on the band as opposed to SD which I only listen to the live takes of now tbh

Plus through all the different styles there's a cohesive atmosphere to the album that's memorable

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:04 PM   #53
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Marquis in Spades should have replaced TOASE

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:08 PM   #54
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Production on MCIS is pretty superb for what it is I thought the whole point was to go for a much more raw take on the band as opposed to SD which I only listen to the live takes of now tbh

Plus through all the different styles there's a cohesive atmosphere to the album that's memorable
eh production on the soft tracks is pretty good but on the heavy songs the loss in definition, especially on the drums, is pretty unfortunate.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:09 PM   #55
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listen to TAFH (the song) and compare. It's possible to get what they were going for without the obnoxious boominess

 
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My fav version of that track is a live take audience screaming and all

Billy pops off so hard oh shit gotta listen to it again

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:17 PM   #57
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like Hello Kitty Kat is better than most everything on SD (especiallyy the mash potatoes version fuck yeah) and it's muddy as all hell this is just my opinion this band is p cool in scope I guess

 
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like Hello Kitty Kat is better than most everything on SD (especiallyy the mash potatoes version fuck yeah) and it's muddy as all hell this is just my opinion this band is p cool in scope I guess
The drums are not muddy in HKK though, at least not on the PI version. The guitars are really really heavy and there is a lot of noise there, but the noise is white, not dirty like on Jellybelly where you just can't totally discern what Jimmy is doing at the most crucial moments

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:09 PM   #59
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like Hello Kitty Kat is better than most everything on SD (especiallyy the mash potatoes version fuck yeah) and it's muddy as all hell this is just my opinion this band is p cool in scope I guess
for a while i was trying to compile all of the songs from that particular session - which is obvious because in front of every song BC is like "oh yea its time to rawwwwwk" or whatever

great session.

 
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:33 PM   #60
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I listen to live bootlegs way way more than the actual records. The energy, the extended outros, alternate versions, the sound and "production" are better to me than on any album (besides maybe parts of Siamese Dream. The Cherub Rock intro where you can hear the slight phaser on the guitar as the intro builds up)

 
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