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View Poll Results: Loveless or SD?
Loveless 9 39.13%
Siamese Cream Lol 14 60.87%
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:23 PM   #61
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i remember an interview with shields saying it's not meant to be listened to in headphones and how all the reissue/remaster versions are shit
no music should be "meant" to listen to in headphones

I avoid it as much as possible

 
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:21 PM   #62
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Loveless isn't even close. Not even fucking close.

Also, Isn't Anything > Loveless.
I'm 28 years old. I live with my girlfriend in Stockholm, Sweden. I have a masters degree in 'Modern Psychology', but I'm currently studying the Swedish law part-time. On average I make approximately 51000 each year. I play in two bands, one is a fusion of pop and jazz, and the other one is a straight out alt rock project. I've listened to the Pumpkins since I was 13, and never stopped listening. I am very open minded about things, but cannot understand all the cynicism on these threads. Are people here really that locked up in themselves? Are they that lonely, that miserable?

 
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:58 PM   #63
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I like Loveless, it's an enjoyable listening experience and really just a one-of-a-kind record

Siamese Dream changed my life

 
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:02 PM   #64
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I will say the first time I heard Sometimes, it was one of the most singularly amazing music experiences of my life.... like the kind of experience you can only get when you are 16 and you don't do drugs yet so the music actually stones you

 
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:05 PM   #65
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In all honesty, how do you guys feel about Pitchforks "Best Shoegaze" list?
https://pitchfork.com/features/lists...l-time/?page=5
pretty standard. I expected pitchfork to pull out some weirder shit for their cred, but I think this list covers the basics. That second Ride album doesn't really get the love it deserves though, and I'm glad to see it on the list

 
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:06 PM   #66
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Can't help but feel like the modern-Billy hate is really seeping into a lot of y'alls assessment of 90s Billy tho

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:08 AM   #67
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Are they that lonely, that miserable? Yes, smashingjj is.
Are you homeless yet mate? Moved back home with your parents? Let me know if I can paypal 5 $ you so you can buy a hoagie.

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:25 AM   #68
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no that's me dude

keep the cash. send weed pls.

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:04 AM   #69
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I will say the first time I heard Sometimes, it was one of the most singularly amazing music experiences of my life.... like the kind of experience you can only get when you are 16 and you don't do drugs yet so the music actually stones you
of all the tracks on Loveless, the whole Siamese Dream aesthetic is probably most directly lifted off that one song

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 04:07 AM   #70
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i was gonna fight people itt but my energy declined

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:12 AM   #71
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slam a redbull and man the fuck up

it's basically me against the world itt

 
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:34 AM   #72
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Are you homeless yet mate? Moved back home with your parents? Let me know if I can paypal 5 $ you so you can buy a hoagie.
Thought you would get back to me?

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 02:19 PM   #73
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of all the tracks on Loveless, the whole Siamese Dream aesthetic is probably most directly lifted off that one song
I said basically this exact thing in another thread and everyone took a giant shit on it

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:28 PM   #74
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I can see why they would do that. I don't see Siamese Dream as being anywhere near as restricted and polarised as that song, or indeed as the whole Loveless album.

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 04:22 PM   #75
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Ok so I just checked and it was mostly FoolofaTook being a silly hobbit and PuzzledMuzzle being a cunt. Pretty much everyone else was just politely disagreeing with you.

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:36 PM   #76
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Sometimes is like Mayonaise with more indie cred

I say that flippantly but it's also pretty much true. Very similar, slow, deliberate, powerful, with a lot of distortion bordering on white noise

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 06:11 PM   #77
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Sometimes is like Mayonaise with more indie cred

I say that flippantly but it's also pretty much true. Very similar, slow, deliberate, powerful, with a lot of distortion bordering on white noise
I remember when I first got into indie/college music I was surprised at how like bands could take a song like mayonaise and build an entire album around sound like that. fwiw.

the good bands didn't worry about couching great songs in between radio hits or whatever.

i'm probably not telling this story correctly. who cares.

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:20 PM   #78
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bands could take a song like mayonaise and build an entire album around sound like that.
Are any of them any good?

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:33 PM   #79
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Ok so I just checked and it was mostly FoolofaTook being a silly hobbit and PuzzledMuzzle being a cunt. Pretty much everyone else was just politely disagreeing with you.
ok

 
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:07 PM   #80
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ok

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:55 AM   #81
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I remember when I first got into indie/college music I was surprised at how like bands could take a song like mayonaise and build an entire album around sound like that. fwiw.

the good bands didn't worry about couching great songs in between radio hits or whatever.
it's not just that, Loveless is actually just much more samey than Siamese Dream. A lot of highly revered founding indie bands are sonically limited compared to what alternative rock acts were doing in the 90s or whatever. it doesn't make it worse or better to me, but in general I tend to like artists with a lot of different sounds more than artists who cut all their songs from the same cloth

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:29 AM   #82
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to me all the songs on loveless are different. it's diverse as fuck.

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 04:30 AM   #83
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i love kevin shields. i want to bear him children.

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:59 AM   #84
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Loveless is actually just much more samey than Siamese Dream.
Yeah, I agree. The only reason I ever managed to distinguish the songs from one another was because of the sheer number of times I listened to it. It takes a lot longer than most other albums.

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:52 AM   #85
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so many philistines. i'm blessed to be pure in heart.

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:53 AM   #86
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if kevin shields ever read this thread, he would see my postings and be like "right on, took-man!"

 
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Well aren't you just a teacher's pet then

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:10 AM   #88
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I am the Galahad of Loveless. An immaculate, inexorable virgin warrior.

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:10 AM   #89
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(note the alliteration)

 
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:14 AM   #90
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Virgin? Yeah right.

 
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