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Old 06-16-2015, 08:37 PM   #181
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You guys need to outlaw campaign donations or at least force disclosure of you ever want to get back to functioning democracy.

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 08:55 PM   #182
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Here's my bet for the future: whoever wins in 2016, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE THE EXACT SAME. But that's just me, and I could be wrong.
too young to remember 2000?

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:38 PM   #183
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The lineup of republicans is fantastic

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 09:45 PM   #184
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You guys need to outlaw campaign donations or at least force disclosure of you ever want to get back to functioning democracy.
no kiddin

and here i thought it was bootstraps

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:04 PM   #185
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So i'm discussing this with my lady... Sanders isn't going to get the nod because he won't win against a republican candidate, yeah? He seems cool but my understanding was that he's too far left to be viable and is just running to try and draw Hillary to the left on her platform to avoid splitting the vote up?

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:33 PM   #186
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i could sit here and wax hypothetical about a gore presidency but that's largely beside the point. the world is generally a much worse place today because 15 years ago "it doesn't really matter anyway"

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:36 PM   #187
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You guys need to outlaw campaign donations or at least force disclosure of you ever want to get back to functioning democracy.
The only way to do this is to alter the makeup of the Supreme Court and the only way to do that is to elect democrats basically forever.

Or I guess we could elect a liberal congress but that would take redrawing districts (and I dunno, abolishing the senate) which can't happen until we have liberals in control of state governments after a census.

The situation is not ideal

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:37 PM   #188
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you're a total dick.

countdown to you saying "I mean, do I have to walk you through this? I mean."

T-minus 9, 8, 7...
I'm not going to walk you through it. If you truly believe it then you're beyond help.

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:39 PM   #189
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It might have been different if we had elected Nader in 2000, but I think you're giving ol' Global Warming too much credit. He wasn't exactly FDR.

the hamburgler could've been the democratic nominee. again, that's not the point

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 10:44 PM   #190
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Poots shut the fuck up would you

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:09 PM   #191
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It was a thing for people to say that Al Gore wouldn't have gone apeshit after 9/11 like Bush did, but nobody fucking knows. 95% of the country was going apeshit so I'm sure whoever was president would have fallen in line and bombed the holy fuck out of something. Not trying to defend Bush, the Great Decider, who was a monsterously failed president, but Gore probably would have been a shitstain as well.
he definitely wouldn't have invaded iraq

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:10 PM   #192
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Do you realize that George W. Bush spent an agonizing three hours deciding whether or not to invade Iraq? Can you imagine the Shakespearean drama unfolding in his mind as he weighed the scales of history in making that choice? I don't know what else you want from the man. He missed lunch that day.
what is this supposed to mean, is nihilism your argument escape hatch?

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:38 PM   #193
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The only way to do this is to alter the makeup of the Supreme Court and the only way to do that is to elect democrats basically forever.

Or I guess we could elect a liberal congress but that would take redrawing districts (and I dunno, abolishing the senate) which can't happen until we have liberals in control of state governments after a census.

The situation is not ideal
I was going to make a little succinct post about redistricting in years ending with 0, but i went to fact check and man what a complicated system that's so (obviously) susceptible to corruption.

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:49 PM   #194
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So i'm discussing this with my lady... Sanders isn't going to get the nod because he won't win against a republican candidate, yeah? He seems cool but my understanding was that he's too far left to be viable and is just running to try and draw Hillary to the left on her platform to avoid splitting the vote up?
well maybe, i don't really feel like republicans in national races could win at all at this stage but saying SOCIALISM over and over again got half the country to hate "obamacare" without understanding it at all...there was a study that showed that when people said obamacare or the affordable care act people were like THUMBS DOWN but then when you isolated the stuff in the bill everyone was THUMBS UP it's amazing how fucking dumb everyone seems to be

i will say that i think bernie is running to put these ideas into voters heads, he knows hillary is a system candidate who will play left if she needs to but not feel at all indebted to delivering on any of it. i don't think he's foolish enough to think that she's going to suddenly start talking about narrowing the wage gap and stuff

 
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Old 06-16-2015, 11:59 PM   #195
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ssive-campaign

 
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Old 06-17-2015, 12:40 AM   #196
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well maybe, i don't really feel like republicans in national races could win at all at this stage but saying SOCIALISM over and over again got half the country to hate "obamacare" without understanding it at all...there was a study that showed that when people said obamacare or the affordable care act people were like THUMBS DOWN but then when you isolated the stuff in the bill everyone was THUMBS UP it's amazing how fucking dumb everyone seems to be

i will say that i think bernie is running to put these ideas into voters heads, he knows hillary is a system candidate who will play left if she needs to but not feel at all indebted to delivering on any of it. i don't think he's foolish enough to think that she's going to suddenly start talking about narrowing the wage gap and stuff
Call me crazy, but I think the DNC heavily pushed Bernie into running for purposes of A/B testing. She's going to develop her platform plank by plank as Bernie's idea's are either embraced or shunned by the public. Lookin forward to 16-17 more months of this from her:



Now that my cynicism has set in, yeah, Hillary's getting the nomination no matter what she says, which means that she can essentially skip the primary. She's playing to the general voters already.

 
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:26 AM   #197
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I don't know how you can say she's playing to general voters already when basically every policy position she has staked out so far mirrors Bernie's.

She's talking like more of a lefty than anyone expected. What makes you say she's playing to the general election audience already?

 
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Old 06-17-2015, 07:32 AM   #198
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"miniature abortion flags for everyone!"

the "everyone" shows she's playing the general voters already. i find that quite obvious.

 
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:39 PM   #199
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Nobody has any love for Rand Paul?

He's who I'm rooting for.

 
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:46 PM   #200
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Old 06-17-2015, 11:36 PM   #201
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fuzzy is fake

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 01:55 AM   #202
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she learned from obama that she can say a bunch of shit you guys wanna hear, youll eat it up like the salivating dogs that you are, and then if elected she'll go right back to being right-of-center and enriching herself through govt contacts like shes always done

then she'll give obama a high five before tube feeding a prisoner at gitmo
I agree, and that's why I'm totally cool with Hillary Clinton as president even though i am more conservative than even Clarence Thomas.

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:05 AM   #203
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I agree, and that's why I'm totally cool with Hillary Clinton as president even though i am more conservative than even Clarence Thomas.
you should follow his lead and shut the fuck up for the next eight years.

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:13 AM   #204
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Nobody has any love for Rand Paul?

He's who I'm rooting for.
I would love for you to try to articulate why. And I'm serious because one of us will probably take the time to point out why another candidate would be better given what you like about him.

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:14 AM   #205
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Whoever is elected, even Sanders, likely won't be able to enact the lefty policies we want outside of maybe foreign policy (which obviously matters but still). There is still going to be a center right congress.

The problem isn't presidential candidates as much as it is the system. imo.

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:15 AM   #206
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By center right I guess I really mean far right if I'm actually thinking about it.

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:47 AM   #207
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last poll i saw in Michigan showed Clinton destroying all GOP candidates. Rand Paul. though, was the closest at 4%.

He's the candidate that Republicans deserve

 
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:48 AM   #208
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Whoever is elected, even Sanders, likely won't be able to enact the lefty policies we want outside of maybe foreign policy (which obviously matters but still). There is still going to be a center right congress.

The problem isn't presidential candidates as much as it is the system. imo.
i agree, democracy is a joke and capitalism is killing us all

 
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you should follow his lead and shut the fuck up for the next eight years.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:55 AM   #210
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Now I may not be a big time city lawyer, I don't have lots of book learnin or a smart phone or a map of the earth or know how to use a radio, but I know there's got to be something in the Constitution that allows us to dissolve Congress and establish a left-wing monarch. And I for one am willing to be that monarch. I will rule you all fairly, with an iron fist, and won't back down to our republican oppressors.

 
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