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Old 08-11-2014, 10:30 AM   #31
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In a way it's nice to have Billy confound our expectations. Remember when he was good at that?

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:30 AM   #32
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On a scale of "Astral Planes" to "Absolutely Groundbreaking!" I'd give it a 7.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:30 AM   #33
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I like the drum fills there, they add an interesting texture and tension to the song.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:31 AM   #34
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I like the drum fills there, they add an interesting texture and tension to the song.
they're completely out of place

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:36 AM   #35
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they're completely out of place
sometimes things being out of place is interesting, which is what I said.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:37 AM   #36
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It's caught between a kind of Tom Petty simplicity and the grandiose Disarm type vibe but never delivers fully on either. If I was Billy, I'd have kept this in the vaults after all the hype because it comes no where near to matching it. The MII version is superior.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:44 AM   #37
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I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:44 AM   #38
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It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.
exactly.




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It wouldn't have been the top 10 hit it's hyped up to be.
I don't think so either.
This arrangement isn't THAT great, voice/singing is middle field.
World premiere of a b-side, nice, but I like the live version better.


 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:47 AM   #39
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I think there's definitely some revisionist history going on in this track.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:52 AM   #40
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Joey Waronker usually has a softer, more nuanced hand when it comes to tracking drums. See "Perfect," everything else he's ever done.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:54 AM   #41
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it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one
that's what i was thinking too.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:56 AM   #42
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My only criticism is the vocals. They sound manipulated.

Also, I thought it was a 2014 mix. There were so many.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:57 AM   #43
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I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:59 AM   #44
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Everything sounds awkwardly bolted on instead of being part of the song.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:01 AM   #45
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:02 AM   #46
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I can't believe Billy let Mike Byrne play on this!

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:02 AM   #47
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This arrangement isn't THAT great, voice/singing is middle field.
World premiere of a b-side, nice, but I like the live version better.

yeah, I like that live version better too.. I especially love the part from 4:08 onwards, this new version sounds nothing like that.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:05 AM   #48
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I can't believe Billy let Mike Byrne play on this!
Lol I thought this. Then I thought people should see the way mike played was instructed by billy.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:09 AM   #49
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they're completely out of place
Yep. Sort of Mike Burnsian. They kind of interrupt the flow and groove of the song. Don't say that's interesting. It's not.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:13 AM   #50
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I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.
They definitely weren't brickwalling it like this in 1998.


 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:15 AM   #51
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I had to have the volume on my computer at like 3. Mixed way too loud.

Was it too hard to just straight up release it like it was in 98? Really?

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:18 AM   #52
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Well that was completely fucking underwhelming, especially given the mystical hype over the last decade. Billy's voice was way too loud and prominent in the mix and I agree on the opinions about the drumming, as well.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:19 AM   #53
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They definitely weren't brickwalling it like this in 1998.

Well... ever hear Californication? Sure, it was released in 1999 but close damn enough. Everything Rubin touches is pretty brickwalled.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:21 AM   #54
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Damn, that's brickwalled to death. My ears hurt just from seeing the image.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:22 AM   #55
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Those strings are

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:26 AM   #56
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yea well, we still have the live version, so... I never understood the hype about the "magic" Rubin track (or this song in general.)

Not sure if it was a good idea to advertise the Adore reissue with this one.
Is anybody thinking "hell yea, gotta buy that boxset" after hearing this?

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:29 AM   #57
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"Comments are disabled for this video"

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:30 AM   #58
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I get the same feeling from this that I got when I first heard some of the other recorded versions of songs from the adore era. To Sheila for example, I remember thinking 'why did they record it this way?'.. But now it's one of my all time favorites. It sounds like an adore era track for sure.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:31 AM   #59
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I think this is a catchy song for the general/casual fan, so I understand why they are using it.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:32 AM   #60
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Meh, the acoustic demo sounds better to me than this. Total letdown in my opinion (which was expected actually).

 
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