What's this? (Mellon Collie Reissue?)

[T&T]

billy farting into a microphone.

[Kahlo]

Yes, it wasn't until TBK EP1 that he actually followed through.

[Pizza Club]

So if the DVD is incomplete because of licensing/missing footage, why wouldn't they use other pro-shot footage? Wasn't a San Jose show pro-shot on that tour? I know there's footage from this era that hasn't been seen because it showed up in the Untitled alternate video.

[Morlock]

Originally Posted by dustrock

I'm pretty curious about the "remastering"

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[smashedguava]

Originally Posted by Pizza Club

Speed!

This. It better not be the gravity demo of it.

[Eulogy]

i would definitely like to have this but i don't know that i can spend $146 on it.

[Grox]

Originally Posted by Funbags

There's a full band Meladori Magpie floating around I think.

only one i can think of is the QAOS version, and that's super rough/early/from 1992/no lyrics

[sjpaterra]

DELUXE BOX SET:

– 5CD +DVD

– Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92

– Original album remastered for the first time

– 64 bonus tracks of previously unreleased material or alternate versions of Mellon Collie era songs

– DVD featuring live show filmed at the Brixton Academy, London (1996) and bonus performances from Rockpalast (1996)

– Housed in a 12 x 12 lift-top box with magnetic closure, reimagined cover art and velvet-lined disc holder

– 2 books containing personal notes, lyrics, new collage artwork plus a Decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie universe.




What exactly do they mean when they say "Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92"?

Does that mean that there are 106 tracks in the box set but if you digitally download it you only get 92? OR does it mean that the set includes 106 tracks and some magic download code to get an additional 92 digital tracks? If the latter is the case, that's pretty fucking insane... so i doubt it. Anyone?

[Slurpee]

I think Amazon will eventually sell it for less than $146 - 30% or 40% off I hope.

The one track I wanted most - Jupiter's Lament full-band - is on it. I'm also very curious about the MIS remix.

[RenewRevive]

Originally Posted by MacGyver

It's hard enough to grasp why they would "reissue" Machina 2 when it's technically not even a damn album! It's pretty much just a thrown together record for billy to say "fuck you" to their label.. They were just throw backs and demos for Machina I.. although I am looking forward to seeing Machina 1&2 put together as a double album, but to me, TAFH is just not an "album".. its a boxset of fucking singles with extra b-sides..

as far as i can figure they're not re-releasing Machina II as such, as you mention it'll be part of a resequenced Machina, presumably as a double CD. where i would disagree is in saying the songs were not intended for release and were just throwaways. this was clearly not Billy's intent. he's stated that he wanted to release the whole thing as 2 CDs, in some form, which is what the whole reissue thing is intended to fix. besides pretty much all the original tracks on the Machina II collection, plus some of the duplicates are fully worked-up songs, hardly rough demos or outlines.

i do find it surprising that they intend to reissue TAFH, though the material is generally of such high quality that it deserved it. interesting to see what they do with it actually. i don't see it being released in the same unique package the original had, maybe as a double CD with the MCIS singles removed, along with PM, with a bonus CD and hopefully another MCIS-era DVD.

Originally Posted by Copperpot5

Not sure if that torrent will get pulled soon due to this announcement....

Received the full show amt VHS->DVD from a friend of the taper back in May - seeded that on Zomb as well.i

yeah, i will have to dl this soon, thanks for the heads-up.

Originally Posted by Rider

Billy came clean a few months ago. There is a rough Billy solo demo, and live. That's it.

Can we all just finally now admit that there is no studio version of this song.

yeah, that's what i figured, didn't mean to imply it was full band. like i said, for completism sake it would be good to have.

the live DVD that i am really looking forward to is for Adore.

[IWishIWasBlank]

I just hope the additional tracks don't end up being MCIS Demos I II and III. If they are, it's kinda nice to have a clean/reliable source and all, but still. Meh. And I agree with everyone else, the addition of One and Two and Eye, no sense whatsoever.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

Originally Posted by sjpaterra

What exactly do they mean when they say "Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92"?

can't download dvd tracks?

[Slurpee]

Originally Posted by IWishIWasBlank

I just hope the additional tracks don't end up being MCIS Demos I II and III. If they are, it's kinda nice to have a clean/reliable source and all, but still. Meh. And I agree with everyone else, the addition of One and Two and Eye, no sense whatsoever.

Not sure why everyone is so worked up about One and Two. James could have easily demoed it and/or recorded it as a possible MCIS track. It will be interesting to hear one of the songs that he eventually released as a solo track in an earlier Pumpkins form. Although if it ends up just being a solo acoustic demo, without any participation from other members, then I think that will make it less intriguing.

[IWishIWasBlank]

Agreed.

[D.]

Originally Posted by Slurpee

Although if it ends up just being a solo acoustic demo, without any participation from other members, then I think that will make it less intriguing.

I'm the opposite, i hope it's an unheard gem.

[samuel redman]

xo this is 150 dollars? damnit

[Beta]

so how many real unheard/unknown songs are on there (including full new songs who just were on pastichio medley until now)? which are they?

[MyOneAndOnly]

del

[slunken]

good grief what is your problem dude?

[IWishIWasBlank]

Originally Posted by Beta

so how many real unheard/unknown songs are on there (including full new songs who just were on pastichio medley until now)? which are they?

How `bout you read the thread. Be glad the rest of the flames were withheld.

Originally Posted by MacGyver

Does anyone remember seeing this video a couple of years ago where Billy was saying he wrote this back in '97-98 for a Shaquille O'Neal record, and ended up using it for Lost Highway??... Maybe this version of "Eye" we are getting is just an early rendition from '95ish, that sounds completely different?

Hopefully it's Shaqille as Kazaam singing Eye.

[Beta]

Originally Posted by IWishIWasBlank

How `bout you read the thread. Be glad the rest of the flames were withheld.

i joined this board wayyyyy before you. so shaddap.

edit: i think there is no post which explicitly answers my questions.

[IWishIWasBlank]

Then if you've been here this long, you know to make up answers.

[Beta]

Originally Posted by IWishIWasBlank

Then if you've been here this long, you know to make up answers.

no i do not. please help me.

[IWishIWasBlank]

We don't have the answers yet. But maybe Monte does. He got pre-release copies of the bonus disks. See the other thread.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by RenewRevive

as far as i can figure they're not re-releasing Machina II as such, as you mention it'll be part of a resequenced Machina, presumably as a double CD. where i would disagree is in saying the songs were not intended for release and were just throwaways. this was clearly not Billy's intent. he's stated that he wanted to release the whole thing as 2 CDs, in some form, which is what the whole reissue thing is intended to fix. besides pretty much all the original tracks on the Machina II collection, plus some of the duplicates are fully worked-up songs, hardly rough demos or outlines.

i do find it surprising that they intend to reissue TAFH, though the material is generally of such high quality that it deserved it. interesting to see what they do with it actually. i don't see it being released in the same unique package the original had, maybe as a double CD with the MCIS singles removed, along with PM, with a bonus CD and hopefully another MCIS-era DVD.



yeah, i will have to dl this soon, thanks for the heads-up.



yeah, that's what i figured, didn't mean to imply it was full band. like i said, for completism sake it would be good to have.

the live DVD that i am really looking forward to is for Adore.

I have a feeling Billy was either wrong when he said he had a demo of it, Billy can't find the demo, or their is something wrong with the Demo. Pretty sure we would have the demo if it was available/useable. Billy has never been one to release stand alone live tracks. In fact this is the only time I can think of him ever doing that.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by Beta

i joined this board wayyyyy before you. so shaddap.

edit: i think there is no post which explicitly answers my questions.

Answer most likely very few of them, but since they are not really labeled we don't know. It's not like it says, Speed (gravity demos).

[Gish08]

Originally Posted by Pizza Club

So if the DVD is incomplete because of licensing/missing footage, why wouldn't they use other pro-shot footage? Wasn't a San Jose show pro-shot on that tour? I know there's footage from this era that hasn't been seen because it showed up in the Untitled alternate video.

yeah and for the price you would think Billy would be thinking of that.

I really can't find any reason to buy the physical release.

[Araneae]

It's a high price but it'll definitely come down eventually on amazon. I'm just going to buy the digital version. I'm sure someone will upload the book notes on SPFC eventually anyway. I might pick up the LPs if they don't fuck it up like they did on PI.

[redbull]

Originally Posted by Rider

Answer most likely very few of them, but since they are not really labeled we don't know. It's not like it says, Speed (gravity demos).

I think these are the new ones

(and obviously the dreaded "2012 mix" in the parens)

Tonight, Tonight (Strings Alone mix)
Zero (Synth mix)
Ascending Guitars (Sadlands demo)
By Starlight (Flood rough)
Lover (Arrangement 1 demo)
In The Arms Of Sleep (Early Live demo)
1979 (Sadlands demo)

Cupid De Locke (BT 2012 mix)
Jellybelly (Instrumental/Pit mix 3)
Jupiter’s Lament (Barbershop version)
Bagpipes Drone (Sadlands demo)
Tonight, Tonight (Band Version Only, No Strings)
Knuckles (Studio outtake)
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Acoustic version)
Speed

Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Nighttime version 1)
Cherry (BT 2012 mix)
Love (Flood rough)
Fuck You (an ode to no one) (Production Master rough)
Isolation (BT 2012 mix)
Transformer (Early mix)
Goodnight (Basic Vocal rough)
Eye (Soundworks demo)
My Blue Heaven (BT 2012 mix)
One And Two
Zoom (7 ips)
Pastichio Medley (Reversed extras)
Marquis In Spades (BT 2012 mix)
Tales Of A Scorched Earth (Guitar Overdub mix)
Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Pit mix 3)
Phang (Sadlands demo)


regarding San Jose being proshot -- it's possible. they filmed the second night in anaheim for vieuphoria 2. I think you can find people talking about it if you ever dig into the amsp archives

[Pizza Club]

No, I'm pretty sure I was thinking of Anaheim. My mistake. All I remembered was talk of a "million dollar camera" back in the amsp days.