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Old 10-01-2007, 12:17 PM   #181
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bestbuy.com says oct 30

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:21 PM   #182
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Maybe he's just a fan of bills, who has a problem paying 5 times for a copy of one album just so he can get all the tracks. How is it not possible for you to understand that what the label did, is not selling/promoting the album to others, but selling the album to the same fanbase. If zietshit was just one album, with no bonus tracks at all, there would have been less albums sold. No one would be out buying multiple copies of an album at all.

The casual radio dumbfuck who heard tarantula, isn't going to see an ad for target and go, "zeitshit has gossemer here, but at best buy, I get death from above. COOL!!!" Bill basically let the label rape his fans just for a few dollars more. He could have promoted the album differently. He could have done instore signings, and only sign copies of zeitshit. That could have sold more albums. He could have done the two cds thing, one regular version, and one super megasized version, and sold it for twice as much. At least that would be respectable. Point is, don't get angry at the guy who wants to support the band, but doesn't want to buy the same damn thing 5 times in order to do it.
but there is no evidence that the fanbase has gone out and bought multiple copies of this album. this is just so much hyperbole. it is pretty apparent that the record has singularly failed to engage with non-dedicated sp fans to any significant degree. whatever the relative merits of machina and zeitgeist, the sales figures for the latter (even taking into account the decline in physical cd sales since 2000) are indicative if anything that the core fans have not gone out and bought multiple copies.

personally, i would be happy if the band issue future releases on an indie label. it must now be obvious to all that are not going to make some big commercial comeback, in which case the less meddling from the label, the better.

and yes, the 2-release (standard / deluxe) method would have been a much better approach.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:23 PM   #183
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to the top part, it says the suit was launched in 1999

to the bottom part, it, good point. reaching though? i think everyone's reaching to give this man a ton of cred, whatever kind of cred that may be. it's like 50 cent fans truly feeling he is gangsta, regardless of the fact that he does commercials for vitamin water, and hangs out with carson daly. the same goes for xzibihit. trent can say the studio wants to release a bunch of albums and he won't allow it, that too, is heresay.

i saw him a year and a half ago, i think two years now, at horton plaza before his show at soma. he was linked arms with a girl straight out of 50's hoodrats. eating pizza. now he can say and do whatever he wants, but the image you guys try to paint, well that sure doesn't fit it right?

these people aren't exactly what we think they are. aren't as anti establishment or anti whatever we hope. i think we give them more of an image than they lay out for themselves. like everyone did with marylin manson at his peak.
most people i know don't 'paint an image' of who reznor is

he just seems like a down to earth guy who makes extremely interesting music

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:24 PM   #184
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Only if you request it.
i request it

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:25 PM   #185
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Um, there are several board members who did buy multiple copies, I believe davin got each one. Personally, I could care if davin waste his money on chicks with dicks porn, or beanie babies, he never should have to do that shit. Him or anyone else. Not to this extent.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:27 PM   #186
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How about a fucking option to buy just the DVD for like $5.99 thru SP.com if you're already purchased the album.

This is a really shitty move that looks even shittier now that Radiohead has announced their plans for In Rainbows.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:30 PM   #187
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3 x $13.99 CD + bonus track editions = $41.97 + $9.99 iTunes edition = $51.96 + $24.99 Special Edition = $76.95

As opposed to $14.99 for a fifteen track album.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:31 PM   #188
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Don't forget the $50 t shirt which the record label MADE him sell.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:35 PM   #189
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$76.95 + (let's say) $29.99 CD + DVD = $106.94

Yeah, Zeitgeist is getting pretty expensive.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:37 PM   #190
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Watch, we'll stupidly shell out more $ on this fucking album at Best Buy for the DVD only to find it later re-packaged as a stand-alone DVD available only "on the tour."

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:38 PM   #191
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Don't forget the bside collection which will come out in a year or so from now with most of the songs out now on it, and have billy pitch a fit because we complain about it.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:39 PM   #192
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... and then take it off the market because we weren't ready for it

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:40 PM   #193
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Don't forget the bside collection which will come out in a year or so from now with most of the songs out now on it, and have billy pitch a fit because we complain about it.
Oh, the B-sides collection featuring "Stellar, Daydream, Zeitgeist, & Death From Above," but is a must-have because it has Superchrist on it?

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:42 PM   #194
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i can't wait for them to officially release gossamer so i can laugh at all the yuppies wasting thirty minutes of their lives listening to a boring song that really goes nowhere

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:44 PM   #195
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Can he finally just release the metro dvd so I can be done with him? Thats all I care to have bill.

Metro DVD Asswipe. I'll forget about the chicago songs, and zwan dvd, and everything else. You can charge me $100 bucks for it too. I'll fucking pay it.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:46 PM   #196
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dude, just torrent it

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:50 PM   #197
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Um, there are several board members who did buy multiple copies, I believe davin got each one. Personally, I could care if davin waste his money on chicks with dicks porn, or beanie babies, he never should have to do that shit. Him or anyone else. Not to this extent.
lol, but anecdotal. he probably has an extensive collection of all their releases, but this is conjecture on my part. i imagine the same applies to a few others here, but cetainly not to 99+% of what might be termed core fans. for example, i bought the zeitgeist special edition, which i did not feel was worth the difference in price to be honest and the tarantula single, to give it that big push up the UK charts (to #55 i believe). the exclusive store deals didn't apply here of course, but i was never even vaguely tempted to go out any buy more than the one copy.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:52 PM   #198
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I'm a stupid whore and I bought every version (except for the lame HMV "green sleeve" version.) This is why I'm even more pissed that I wasn't able to purchase this damn DVD in the first place.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:52 PM   #199
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I'm a sucker for official releases. Thats why i'm kinda pissed off about this whole shit. If I was a fan right now, i'd be one of those assholes that would feel the need to buy each edition for the exclusive songs. I bought all the singles in years past, the remixes, the overseas singles with exclusive tracks. I would even rebuy them all when it would come out on the bsides collection. I was a fan. I was more than happy to do it, not anymore.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:54 PM   #200
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i'm suprised that there is ZERO word from the band about this release. they're usually pretty on top of their myspace bulletins. *cough*

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:54 PM   #201
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I'm still a fan and love the thrill of collecting all the physical copies, but this is insane. You already had me buy 4 fucking copies of Zeitgeist (BB, Target, iTunes & Deluxe Edition), and now I need to buy 5?!?! Just let me buy the DVD alone. Jeez.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:55 PM   #202
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i'm suprised that there is ZERO word from the band about this release. they're usually pretty on top of their myspace bulletins. *cough*
I bet they're kind of embarrassed. I mean, wouldn't you be if you already took an ass-raping by some bloggers and press with the multiple-version fiasco in July?

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:56 PM   #203
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is it, in your opinion, more contemptible to release overseas b-sides (which usually ran the price of the actual album) or to release multiple versions of the album?

i know the overseas b-side ploy was real popular in the nineties

 
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I bet they're kind of embarrassed. I mean, wouldn't you be if you already took an ass-raping by some bloggers and press with the multiple-version fiasco in July?
why, yes. yes, i would .

 
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lol, but anecdotal. he probably has an extensive collection of all their releases, but this is conjecture on my part. i imagine the same applies to a few others here, but cetainly not to 99+% of what might be termed core fans. for example, i bought the zeitgeist special edition, which i did not feel was worth the difference in price to be honest and the tarantula single, to give it that big push up the UK charts (to #55 i believe). the exclusive store deals didn't apply here of course, but i was never even vaguely tempted to go out any buy more than the one copy.

The thing is, that was a marketing ploy to get more money from bills "true fans". Its complete horseshit. Bill, i'm sure, could have said no, or spoken out about it. He did neither, so he shares the blame.

 
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is it, in your opinion, more contemptible to release overseas b-sides (which usually ran the price of the actual album) or to release multiple versions of the album?

i know the overseas b-side ploy was real popular in the nineties
The thing with the overseas b-sides is that the extra price added on top was not profit for the band; the stores had to charge it to recoup the importing fee as most of them came directly from European and Asian distributors.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:00 PM   #207
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Billy definitely had to sign off on this. Maybe in the case of The Killers re-releasing "Hot Fuss" they had no say because they were still a "new band," but Billy has been in this business long enough and I'm sure was given creative control and final say on all marketing methods the label chooses to use.

There is no way this is going on w/o him being aware and okay with it.

 
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:01 PM   #208
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but wouldn't it stand to reason that if the band had chosen to have those released in the local market that they wouldn't have to be imported in the first place?

i get what you're saying, i'm just trying to play all angles of this

 
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is it, in your opinion, more contemptible to release overseas b-sides (which usually ran the price of the actual album) or to release multiple versions of the album?

i know the overseas b-side ploy was real popular in the nineties
My fanboyism didn't care back then. I wasn't happy paying $30 bucks for the "today" japan single just for one song, but how else was I going to get it? Besides, not every single was given that kind of treatment. I can really only recall the "today" and "rocket" single being the only overseas editions I HAD to have. Maybe i'm missing one. Two singles in a span of 7 years, fine by me. Thats not abuse.

Also, I just read what Radiohead is doing with their album release. Just another example as to why, Radiohead, are light years ahead of the pumpkins.

 
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but wouldn't it stand to reason that if the band had chosen to have those released in the local market that they wouldn't have to be imported in the first place?

i get what you're saying, i'm just trying to play all angles of this
A lot of times this was done to give the overseas fans a reason to purchase the single. Singles really were mostly non-existent in the 90's in the US, but not in other countries. The whole history of singles *******d B-sides not available on the record, and just to keep with tradition this was done. The retarded labels felt that American's didn't care about B-Sides and didn't bother to release singles domestically.

 
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