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Old 07-24-2017, 09:10 AM   #1
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Default Super rare Mellon Collie acoustic footage

Half-decent quality, but the song selection is terrific. Mellon Collie prime right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aYiJnEU2I&t=1072s

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:15 AM   #2
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cool.
video is listed as "unsurfaced" here: http://www.splra.org/wiki/index.php?title=Tsp1996-05-03

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:15 AM   #3
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More footage from the same channel. Pro-shot but low rez. Jimmy's wearing a black sweater in this as well, have not seen him like that earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xC-rnLSU8

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:22 AM   #4
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only seems to be wearing the black sweater during zero.

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:25 AM   #5
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Very cool!...I've never seen this before.

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:37 PM   #6
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ooh shit that's a great find. acoustic ruby is amazing

the production on this is trash...random flashes of white and interlacing. they're acting like it's a big rock concert

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:45 PM   #7
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I guess this show was the day after this:

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The second of the three drug abuse incidents occurred on the 2nd in Lisbon, Portugal. Jimmy and Jonathan were both found unconscious outside a hotel, and rushed to the hospital for emergency treatment. "Adrenaline shots to the heart, the whole 'Pulp Fiction' bit," as Billy put it. After the show, Billy told Jonathan, "You're fired, but I want you to finish the tour because you're gonna leave us in the lurch."
This is the clearest footage I've ever seen of Melvoin playing. He looks pretty grumpy

 
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:48 PM   #8
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This is the clearest footage I've ever seen of Melvoin playing. He looks pretty grumpy



 
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:56 PM   #9
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I guess this show was the day after this:

...crazy that they played the next day after that incident.


Jimmy looked so fucking sad:



 
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Old 07-24-2017, 01:08 PM   #10
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"I wish I wasn't a drug addict"

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 03:37 AM   #11
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see, so this is super fascinating

i don't know what overdosing on heroin and getting an adrenaline shot does to you, physically. i mean i'm sure it doesn't feel good

but like, whenever i go on drinking benders, there's this horrible period for 2-4 days after where my muscles don't work and i can barely play, if it all

and they fucking kept the freight train rolling playing gigs! maybe that's why this was just an acoustic show? but still, did corgan say to jimmy - hey we have a gig at 8pm, sit down and sort your shit out. do it now

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 04:35 AM   #12
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amazing footage.

Is Copperpot on this?

Peak Pumpkins right here. wow.

What is it with Lisbon? They returned 4 years later and played the best Shame ever around the corner.

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 05:39 PM   #13
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Almost as if 'Shame' were associated with Jimmy.

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 05:53 PM   #14
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woahh

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You’re gonna walk on home
You’re gonna walk alone
You’re gonna see this through
Don’t let them get to you
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Hello, goodbye
You know you made us cry

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 08:33 PM   #15
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It's also why the recording of shame was so important.
Just the 3 of them and a drum machine.

 
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Old 03-06-2021, 11:48 PM   #16
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Interesting. I'll reach out as SPLRA and see if I can snag an actual tape of this.

 
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Old 03-07-2021, 03:36 AM   #17
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Almost as if 'Shame' were associated with Jimmy.
That and Vanity being associated with D'Arcy IMO

I don't think Billy writes like that tho.

 
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It's also why the recording of shame was so important.
Just the 3 of them and a drum machine.
Major turning point in that time, for sure.

 
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Old 03-07-2021, 03:42 AM   #19
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That and Vanity being associated with D'Arcy IMO

I don't think Billy writes like that tho.
certainly petty enough tho

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Major turning point in that time, for sure.
what's the story here? I've never heard about this before

 
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Old 03-07-2021, 04:49 AM   #20
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see, so this is super fascinating

i don't know what overdosing on heroin and getting an adrenaline shot does to you, physically. i mean i'm sure it doesn't feel good

but like, whenever i go on drinking benders, there's this horrible period for 2-4 days after where my muscles don't work and i can barely play, if it all

and they fucking kept the freight train rolling playing gigs! maybe that's why this was just an acoustic show? but still, did corgan say to jimmy - hey we have a gig at 8pm, sit down and sort your shit out. do it now
I think it doesn't get talked about enough, certainly if you think of how Michael Jackson died.
The ball is rolling. You're on the clock while you're on tour.... You're on the payroll.
May(?) of 96, the band was flying high.
Money was piling. (Power as well)
Overdose or not, are you going to be the one, because of your addiction, to deprive the fans of the show?
To cost so much money if you cancel?
The band will have to create a cover story.
Better to deny, bite the bullet, and just jump back on The Infinite Sadness Express.

Also... Medical science.
Steroids. Vitamins. IVs. Different drugs to counteract drugs.

Also... These guys were specimens at their prime.

Ram,
the thing going on after you drink is vitamin depletion and dehydration. There are very cheap and simple remedies to help you.
Take a multivitamin or something very very high in all things Vitamin B. Take NAC L-Cystene to very much help prevent hangovers. (Check recent studies.) Then take glutamine.

Glutamine helps in the way of, the day after hard drinking, I would typically get an anxious feeling in my spine, and it really takes that away. (Alcohol withdrawal)

Leg cramps = you need potassium.

Addicts sometimes need goals and heights to achieve. I feel like that's how so much of that Mellon Collie energy was attained.

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Old 03-07-2021, 08:02 PM   #21
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Addiction is a very underrated component of the entire band. James being the outlier in that regard.

 
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james was addicted to sarcastic remarks. very tragic

 
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:07 AM   #23
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Melvoin looks exactly as rough as you'd expect someone to who's ODed the day before

Jimmy looks pretty normal which is quite remarkable really. It's actually amazing the guy is still alive, he must have the constitution of an ox

 
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Old 03-09-2021, 05:44 PM   #24
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are billy's fingernails painted?

 
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Old 03-09-2021, 05:45 PM   #25
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i love how they keep processing the shot through different filters

 
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He looks pretty grumpy
He looks like absolute shit lol

Has Jimmy ever spoken about being a part of essentially manslaughter?

 
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i love how they keep processing the shot through different filters
like sometimes the shot looks immaculate but someone in the editing bay went "how can we make this look like absolute shit?"

shouts out to them

 
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:00 PM   #28
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He looks like absolute shit lol

Has Jimmy ever spoken about being a part of essentially manslaughter?
not manslaughter to do drugs with someone who ODs and dies unless perhaps you get the drugs and shoot them up and then just let them die

 
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I don't imagine he can comment on it. There was a settlement and lawsuit.

 
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I don't imagine he can comment on it. There was a settlement and lawsuit.
afaik he only got charged with possession, criminally speaking. who knows about fault admitted or proven in a lawsuit, though. much lower burden of proof, but it seems unlikely he could be found to have more fault than melvoin himself if it came to that

 
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