Cyr gets savaged in review by the Art Desk

[brothahi4L]

Another one from NME...it is pretty positive. Why 3 stars then.?

[jimmy drevpile]

Originally Posted by brothahi4L

Another one from NME...it is pretty positive. Why 3 stars then.?

I thought that after reading the review also. Rating does not equal the words (to my mind)

[New Art Rioter]

Originally Posted by dustrocck

There's a guy who posts on SP reddit who I assume is from Sad Machines who has SP tats and like posts photos of him sitting on the ground with the albums and candles spread out around him and I think he's crazy as I choose 1 of my 17 different Baby Yoda figures to play with.

Ha I've seen that guy, he has some good stuff in his collection but the need to display it with him reclining amongst it is bewildering

[houseofglass11]

Dude also said he doesn’t own any bootlegs and will only buy authorized stuff. There were tons of cool boots from the 90’s. Seems weird to collect and exclude some of that stuff.

[vajohna]

The what desk?

[houseofglass11]

A publication.

[killtrocity]

I pretty much agree with the reviewer. Cyr (the song) was interesting, but once it became obvious that every fucking song was just Billy dicking around with electronic compositions in the vein of 2000's new wave it got old real fast. So glad that James came back for this fucking garbage

I would honestly take Teargarden over this stuff, which is clown show music that I absolutely loathe

At least GLOW had a riff. Not even an interesting riff, just a riff. Which was itself a 1995 reject

He just. Keeps. Getting. Worse.

I fully expect the next release to be Billy sharting into a tuba with the sound of Jimmy and James crunching potato chips as a backing track

[slunken]

Originally Posted by Ram27

the only thing i hate more than this record is the fucking sycophants on his insta going 'look at my toddler dancing to SEEYR'

that's his audience now. social media clicks. hence 5 accounts.

[slunken]

[slunken]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Dude also said he doesn’t own any bootlegs and will only buy authorized stuff. There were tons of cool boots from the 90’s. Seems weird to collect and exclude some of that stuff.

that's "spfreaks" and he is a karma whore and a giant loser

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Greatvegetable

Average of 51/100 based on 17 public reviews. This is not a 2.5 star album. https://www.albumoftheyear.org/album.../user-reviews/

How can you rate an album that wasn't even released yet?

[houseofglass11]

Those are reviews of the song Cyr only.

[enthusaroo]

and the single is the best thing about the album according to all the reviews

[Laundro]

Originally Posted by killtrocity

I would honestly take Teargarden over this stuff, which is clown show music that I absolutely loathe

Sadly, I agree. Teargarden was fucking terrible, no denying that. But at least it was an "interesting" type of terribleness, like a trainwreck that you couldn't look away from.

All of the singles from Cyr just end up leaving me numb. There's nothing memorable, nothing that jumps at you whether it's good or bad.

I have no issues with him going full synthpop, god knows we needed a change of pace after MTAE and Shiny Vol.1. But if you're going to do this, then go all in. Experiment, go nuts, try to do something a little different so it doesn't end up being a basic, by the numbers synthpop record.

[Ram27]

is it even by the numbers?

it's like he used one color of paint and didn't follow the lines

these songs aren't wall of sound // heavy guitar // 90s SP // big muff // etc and i love them very much

beautiful, cute autumn vibes


sexy and dark


spaceboy


billy is just shit

[Laundro]

Well, yeah. It might be worse than that, when you put like that.

Also, since I was talking about Teargarden earlier: didn't know how to use a synth then, still doesn't know how to use one now (remember the Ichabod???)

[Shadaloo]

I dislike Teargarden a lot less than I used to, generally. Widow will always be the worst thing he's ever created to my ears, and I maintain nothing on Cyr so far is close to that bad, even if it's unmemorable.

But Tom Tom's a hell of a fucking great song

[houseofglass11]

I can unironically enjoy Widow.

[Forgotten Child]

DIY Magazine - 3 out 5 stars

https://diymag.com/2020/11/26/the-sm...r-album-review

[VoxUpDoc]

The 3 star reviews are a combination of reviewers not understanding the OG Pumpkins and therefore not seeing the difference because it's all same to them, and Corgan still having influence over old print media.

Whilst NME and Kerrang gave Zwan 8/10 reviews (iirc) the journos and readership at the time wouldn't be caught dead listening to them.

[Forgotten Child]

Kerrang! - 4 OUT OF 5 STARS

https://www.kerrang.com/reviews/albu...-pumpkins-cyr/

[TuralyonW3]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

I dislike Teargarden a lot less than I used to, generally. Widow will always be the worst thing he's ever created to my ears, and I maintain nothing on Cyr so far is close to that bad, even if it's unmemorable.

But Tom Tom's a hell of a fucking great song

Agree with all this

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

Kerrang! - 4 OUT OF 5 STARS

https://www.kerrang.com/reviews/albu...-pumpkins-cyr/

MORE THAN THREE STARS ALL CAPS

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

But Tom Tom's a hell of a fucking great song

Tom Tom is the only 5-star song he’s written since SIYL. If it wasn’t sentenced to the Teargarden purgatory due to the stupid “release plan” it would’ve been more widely known.

It’s funny, that’s a new SP song I could play for anyone, not feel cringe, and they’d love it. Unlike anything of Cyr.

I don’t understand how he nailed Tom Tom and fucked the rest of the album up so badly

[ninsp]

Also how the fuck does this band keep getting publicity
Fallon? C’mon man
They’re garbage
Have you ever met a person in the flesh who listens to the new stuff?

[incubator]

Originally Posted by Woody

Whilst NME and Kerrang gave Zwan 8/10 reviews (iirc) the journos and readership at the time wouldn't be caught dead listening to them.

revisionists garbage. there was a real indie groundswell around zwan at the time

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by incubator

revisionists garbage. there was a real indie groundswell around zwan at the time

There was a small indie following around the time of the live shows in 2001 and 2002.

When Honestly / MSOTS came out this didn't transition into any sort of mainstream recognition or record sales. Even within the rock audience at the time. People didn't like the singles or videos. They would play on MTV and were met with apathy or mockery. Indie clubs wouldn't play them.

I'm a fan of Zwan, I'm not revising anything. I remember it well.

[incubator]

there was definitely a huge indie groundswell

[eviltimeban]

Originally Posted by ninsp

Tom Tom is the only 5-star song he’s written since SIYL. If it wasn’t sentenced to the Teargarden purgatory due to the stupid “release plan” it would’ve been more widely known.

It’s funny, that’s a new SP song I could play for anyone, not feel cringe, and they’d love it. Unlike anything of Cyr.

I don’t understand how he nailed Tom Tom and fucked the rest of the album up so badly

I just listened to Tom Tom for the first time in about 5 or 6 years. Wow! It's really good. The vocals, so different to now, even though at the time I thought they were as different to the "old" style as this (if you get me). That flanged vocal middle 8 is great.

Teargarden gets better with age, by virtue of the fact that it's better than what we're getting now. Tom Tom, Owata, Lightning Strikes, even the Fellowship. I've always liked Astral Planes, and A Song For A Son came out the day my second child was born which was kind of cool, so I have a link to that.

If these had been proper one off singles, or an EP, and not wrapped up in the whole "44 songs for free" thing, it would've been different.

[Forgotten Child]

Do WWMM next!!!