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12-15-2008, 06:49 PM | #1 | |
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in response to the press saying pumpkins "don't play the hits"
Hipstersunited.com has broken down the tours into statistics, trying to prove... something.
Hipsters United // a blog about the Smashing Pumpkins Tour breakdowns by album-era Quote:
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12-15-2008, 08:42 PM | #2 |
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the thing is, none of those tours were billed as "20th anniversary tours"
and I don't think anyone is peeved at the song variety on the ZG tour, it was pretty great. Its just that this tour's title was misleading to most people. While I enjoyed it, I can't blame people for being upset. |
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12-15-2008, 08:48 PM | #3 |
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Does HU ever, and I mean EVER, say one fucking negative thing about Corgan?
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12-15-2008, 08:53 PM | #4 |
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I'm actually with Esty on this one. For me, it's nice to see mostly intelligent voice against all the hate but they can stop S'ing his D at any time.
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12-15-2008, 08:56 PM | #5 | |
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12-15-2008, 09:13 PM | #6 | ||
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20% of songs being from MCIS, 23% from Zeitgeist, 13% of SD and Machina.. 20% of it was unreleased/other, meaning non-album tracks, i think (like iamonpt2 etc) and covers. I think the article is trying to say that compared with say, the Adore tour, this last tour was full of old material and the press labeled it as 'not playing to the fans'. The thing about HU is, they never really get to their point.. |
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12-15-2008, 09:31 PM | #7 |
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this whole thread is tl;dr but if the perception is they're not playing their hits and hence people think the tour is shitty it doesn't really matter what the math is
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12-15-2008, 09:31 PM | #8 | |
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I can (somewhat) enjoy 25 minutes of Billy Corgan on the timpani... but can the casual audience?? Probably not. |
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12-15-2008, 09:33 PM | #9 |
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i like it on the timpani when you hit it and then push the tuning pedal thing and it goes
BOOWWWWWwwoooooooooOOOOOOOO |
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12-15-2008, 09:42 PM | #10 |
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12-15-2008, 09:45 PM | #11 |
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i used the chicago shows since they were the last ones.
WC: * Ava Adore - Adore * Cupid de Locke - MCIS * 1979 - MCIS * 99 Floors - Z * Owata - Z * Sunkissed - Z * Soma - SD * Cherub Rock - SD * Zero - MCIS * Bodies - MCIS * Crestfallen - Adore * I of the Mourning - MACH * A Song for a Son - Z * Landslide [Nicks] - SD/cover * Disarm - SD * Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness - MCIS * Galapogos - MCIS * Gossamer - Z * As Rome Burns - Z * The Sounds of Silence [Simon] -cover > Li'l Red Riding Hood [Blackwell] -cover * The March Hare - Z > Suffer -GISH * Age of Innocence - MACH * That's the Way (My Love Is) - Z * I Am One Pt. 2 - GISH BS: Set: * Roctopus - Z/unreleased * Everybody Come Clap Your Hands [Searchers] - cover/unreleased * Tarantula - Z * G.L.O.W. - Z * Siva - Gish * Eye - Adore * Mayonaise - SD * Tonight, Tonight -MCIS * Speed Kills - MACH * Transformer - MCIS * Superchrist - Z * United States - Z * Once Upon a Time - Adore * Again, Again, Again (The Crux) - Z * The Rose March -Z * Today - SD * Bullet with Butterfly Wings - MCIS * The Beginning Is the End Is the Beginning - Adore * Heavy Metal Machine - MACH * Glass' Theme - MACH * Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun [Pink Floyd] - cover/unreleased * We Only Come Out at Night - MCIS * Everything Is Beautiful [Ray Stevens] - cover/unrleased One-off Set: * Tonight, Tonight -MCIS * Tarantula - Z * Stand Inside Your Love - MACH * Mayonaise - SD * Today - SD * Gossamer - Z * 99 Floors - Z * Owata - Z * Soma - SD * Cherub Rock - SD * Zero - MCIS * Bodies - MCIS * United States - Z * A Song for a Son -Z * Medellia of the Gray Skies - MCIS * Communion - Z * Bullet with Butterfly Wings -MCIS * Superchrist - Z * Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun [Pink Floyd] -cover/unrleased * Ava Adore - Adore * 1979 - MCIS * Disarm - SD not counting the halloween show cause that was mostly covers. anyone wanna run with this ? or debate designation of eras? |
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12-15-2008, 10:22 PM | #12 |
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THE MCIS TOUR WAS AWESOME BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PLAY ANY NEW CRAP LIKE STUFF FROM MACHINA GUYS!!
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12-15-2008, 10:35 PM | #13 | |
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theres a big difference between all the sets from zeitgeist to now and from teh anniversary tour. you missed my point. |
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12-15-2008, 10:36 PM | #14 | |
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12-15-2008, 10:48 PM | #15 |
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http://hipstersunited.com/blog/archi...album-era.html
*test post* Just seeing if Hipster's United post this post in their comments section because I mention HU in it. Last edited by Shallowed : 12-16-2008 at 07:25 AM. |
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12-15-2008, 11:14 PM | #16 |
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12-16-2008, 12:03 AM | #17 |
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Here is the breakdown of the two standard shows from this tour:
--Gish era- 2 songs, 4.08% of setlists --SD era*- 6 songs, 12.24% of setlists --MCIS era- 10 songs, 20.4% of setlists --Adore era- 5 songs, 10.2% of setlists --Machina era- 5 songs, 10.2% of setlists --Zeitgeist era**- 12 songs, 24.48% of setlists --New songs***- 9 songs, 18.37% of setlists *Landslide is included **Includes Zeitgeist, its b-sides, the residencies, American Gothic, and other shit they have done up until this current tour ***Songs never played before this tour, including covers Also... --Covers- 6 songs, 12.24% of setlists --Singles- 16 songs, 32.65% of setlists --Pre-reunion songs- 29 songs, 59.18% of setlists --Post-reunion songs- 20 songs, 40.82% of setlists Conclusions: ONE THIRD of all songs played across the two nights were singles THREE FIFTHS of all songs played across the two nights are from before the breakup ONE FOURTH of all songs played across the two nights came from the Zeitgeist era, that is from the reunion until just before this latest tour. less than ONE FIFTH of all songs played across the two nights were totally new, this includes covers Last edited by redbreegull : 12-16-2008 at 12:09 AM. |
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12-16-2008, 12:09 AM | #18 |
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whatever, both of these setlists were fucking awesome. not perfect, but fucking awesome.
if you would have told me one year ago that i would see Transformer, TBITEITB, Siva, Eye, Mayo, Speed Kills, Once Upon a Time, Ava Adore, Cupid de Locke, SOMA, BODIES, Crestfallen, I Of the Mourning, and Age of Innocence over the course of two shows, I wouldn't be fucking complaining. Why do people go to a show that is going to be 2+ hours if all they want is 1979 and Bullet on repeat? The shows were good. |
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12-16-2008, 12:47 AM | #19 |
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--Acoustic songs- 10 songs, 20.4% of setlists
--Songs with extended jamming- 9 songs, 18.37% of setlists --Heard on August tour- 20 songs, 40.82% of setlists --Performed while Billy was dressed like a Bowie-esque prom queen- 1 song, 2.04% --Co-written by James Iha- 2 songs, 4.08% of setlist --Written when Kurt Cobain was alive- 13 songs, 26.53% of setlists --Written when Monte lived with his parents- 49 songs, 100% --Butch Vig produced studio version- 8 songs, 16.33% of setlists --Flood produced studio version- 15 songs, 30.61% of setlists --Roy Thomas Baker wrecked studio version- 3 songs, 6.21% of setlists --Songs that are by Pink Floyd- 1 song, 2.04% of setlists --Songs during which Billy was heckled- 49 songs, 100% --Songs written before Netphoria existed- 23 songs, 46.93% of setlists --Written when Billy had hair- 18 songs, 36.73% of setlists --Written when Billy was wearing a dress- 5 songs, 10.2% of setlists --Written when Billy was on drugs- 24 songs, 48.98% of setlists --Songs that suck dick (even to the smallest extent)- 11 songs, 22.44% of setlists |
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12-16-2008, 12:50 AM | #20 |
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redbreegull you are awesome.
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12-16-2008, 01:25 AM | #21 |
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statistic lie. even if set the controls was only one of the 51 songs played, its still an inordinate amount of the total set time.
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12-16-2008, 01:26 AM | #22 |
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set the controls is awesome.
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12-16-2008, 01:44 AM | #23 |
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12-16-2008, 03:20 AM | #24 |
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I said the same thing in the Cleveland thread immediately after that show, which was also before anyone knew the BS/WC setlists, since Cleveland was a "one-off" show, and yet already complaining that it didn't qualify for 20th Anniversary billing. Yet I think 13 or the 22 songs were old songs. LOL.
The Pumpkins can't please people because people will say and believe anything, despite the facts. 11/18 Chicago rant FTW. People are fickle and stupid. |
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12-16-2008, 06:29 AM | #25 | |
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Anyway, carry on if you want to. Just letting you know that I find it quite redundant. |
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12-16-2008, 08:13 AM | #26 |
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If they're gonna play with stats, why not realize that Gossamer and Set the Controls together take up 30+ mins easily. The time that people are there in the crowd waiting around for something familiar or some melody or something is crucial to crowd energy and reception. Figure out a % of the time of each show where people are standing/sitting around going WTF?
And surely new songs + newly played covers count as Zeitgeist era, just as Landslide counts as SD, Tranmission as Adore, Once in a Lifetime as Machina, etc. |
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12-16-2008, 12:51 PM | #27 | |
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According to my live recording of the 11/21 chicago show: Superchrist 6:26 followed with United States at 21:48 then at the end you have heavy Metal Machine at 10:51, glasstheme at 1:50 and Set the Controls at 19:23 back to back. Thats 60 minutes of Jams in one Black Sunshine show. 11/19 White crosses has the Gossamer at 16minutes followed by a short As Rome Burns then goes into whole Song of Silence > Lil Red Riding hood > March Hare > Suffer which is about 23minutes. Thats 40 minutes right there of unfamiliar music to the average fan. Then the I Am One pt 2 encore lasts about 14 minutes. But I think thats what makes SP shows great and unique- they are fucking LONG and experimental at times. Adore tour he did like a 25 minute version of 'transmission' by joy division and it was fantastic. Maybe its more interesting if you arent up in the balcony, or if you are GA, but its great to watch them shred like that. No one does that anymore. |
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12-16-2008, 12:54 PM | #28 |
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12-16-2008, 12:54 PM | #29 |
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come on, really?
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12-16-2008, 12:56 PM | #30 |
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whats your point
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