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04-12-2018, 09:31 PM | #181 |
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I have no problem with you thinking rap sucks. I have a problem with you saying that white rappers are racists and just creating alternate facts like people who like rap are criminals and rappers only sing about dumb things and even worse stuff that you can google in 10 seconds like eminem being a dying artist
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04-12-2018, 09:40 PM | #182 |
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Look, I know enough rap fans to know the narrative regarding Eminem. The narrative is that he sucks now and that he hasn't been good for a long time. What I hear is very similar to how we talk about Billy Corgan.
Reading the recent reviews for Eminems newer albums will show you that they're not very highly regarded. The consensus is that he's been pretty stagnant with nothing interesting left to say. Sure, the sales are still pretty strong despite the tepid fan response, but that seems to be the case for most of these legend acts across the board. |
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04-12-2018, 09:43 PM | #183 |
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By you standards, we can look at Billy Corgan and see that Zeitgeist was number 2 in the US and number 1 in a lot of other countries and see that Oceania debuted at number 5.
If you were to go by your reasoning then one would think that Billy Corgan is still a huge rock star. |
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04-12-2018, 09:58 PM | #184 | |
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at one point, the well runs dry. and that is especially true when it comes to a lyrical platform such as rap. |
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04-12-2018, 10:07 PM | #185 |
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i've listened to eminem a bit here and there, certainly not enough to impose myself on any conversation about his continuous artistic merit/deep cuts, but nevertheless - i feel like his earlier work had an inventiveness and fresh quality to it, that is almost completely absent from his later work. his rap (at least the songs i'd heard/read the lyrics to) is now mainly a confessional vehicle, talking about his private life, daughter, rich ppl problems, guilt & shame etc.
he's just like any other successful artist who simply is not hungry anymore. just part of aging i guess. he's content, rich and famous, has rich people problems, and that reflects in the music. not any different from other rockstar fallout that took their songwriting in the exact same direction in their later years. |
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04-12-2018, 10:32 PM | #186 |
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Yeah, I mean it's only natural to happen. But this idea that he's at the top of his game simply isn't true. I mean, an act like The Who are still one of the top grossing acts, it's not really any merit of their current artistic importance.
I don't even know why I was getting so worked up though. RBG just knows how to press my buttons. I still think it's absurd for him to claim that hip-hop is the most important genre of music in the history of mankind |
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04-12-2018, 11:02 PM | #187 |
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I never said Eminem was at the top of his game. I said he was as popular artist who is still relevant and still popular. I don't care what you think about him, it is absurd to say he's not a prominent artist who is still active in making new music when he continues to have best selling albums over and over and over again. Just admit that you thought that he wasn't selling anything and you didn't even check before saying he was on a Corgan-slide. This isn't about Eminem, it's about your lack of critical thinking
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04-12-2018, 11:03 PM | #188 | |
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I'd be interested to analyze Appetite For Destruction for thematic elements and see how focused that album is on the "negative" things you are putting down rap music for. For starters, I only know one album where the CD insert is a painting of a woman who has been raped and murdered by a robot. Quote:
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I understand you probably feel threatened by the idea that your musical canon is not actually the global musical canon though, especially given most of your other worldviews are very Western/white centric. |
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04-13-2018, 01:24 AM | #190 |
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re: elph and bree,
just because rock and rap are both anti-establishment doesn't necessarily mean they deal with the same subject matter. i do see your point, but i think it's more akin to comparing different nations or cultures: sure, you could find some similarities, because in the end it's all people - but ultimately the context and angle from which the subject matter is approached by each party are very different. |
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04-13-2018, 01:30 AM | #191 | |
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i wish i loved hip hop more tbh; i only ever get moods for it every once in a blue moon. |
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04-13-2018, 01:35 AM | #192 | |
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you are right though, especially as rock music was absorbed into white culture and came to reflect for the most part a very different experience |
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04-13-2018, 03:30 AM | #193 |
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04-13-2018, 05:24 AM | #194 |
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04-13-2018, 11:01 AM | #196 | |
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in that classic rock is still all sex, drugs, violence, misogyny |
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04-13-2018, 04:07 PM | #197 |
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what is classic rock
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04-13-2018, 04:09 PM | #198 |
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those are pretty much the cornerstones of all blues (pre-war) and then r&b and rock and roll
so basically all western music since the beginning of the 20th century |
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04-13-2018, 04:26 PM | #199 | |
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Not to say there haven't been innovations, but rather that hip-hop and rap as a societal critique is dead, much like rock and roll decades before. Point being is that when discussing rap and hip-hop, we have 40 years of history to talk about and you easily get in trouble trying to distill a complex history into one genre. I don't even know who I'm talking to. Just throwing another chair in the ring, I guess. |
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04-13-2018, 06:52 PM | #200 | |
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If you took a moment to look at the critical response of his past few albums, you'd see that I was totally on the mark when I said he was on a downswing. |
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04-13-2018, 06:55 PM | #201 |
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04-13-2018, 06:59 PM | #202 |
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I'll say right now though, since I have a minute, this comparison of rock and roll to rap is absurd.
A lot of rock is all about getting fucked up and banging chicks, which albeit isn't positive, it's not even in the realm of the malicious content that rap often boasts about... Rap glorifies murder, gang life, violence... No comparison as far as I'm concerned. |
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04-13-2018, 07:02 PM | #203 | |
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04-13-2018, 07:19 PM | #204 | |
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04-13-2018, 07:37 PM | #205 |
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Of course I was exaggerating for comedic purposes. Do you really imagine that I think Eminem is as popular as Billy Corgan? Nonetheless, if you hear the narrative surrounding Eminem, it's that he's somehow lost the magic, can't make anything good anymore... Much like what we say here about Billy Corgan.
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04-13-2018, 07:38 PM | #206 | |
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04-13-2018, 07:47 PM | #208 | |
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Listen, I like silly rap here and there... But gang violence and gang activity is a scourge to all communities. These people that partake in gangs don't have a conscience, they're awful human beings and they look to rap music to validate and vindicate their mindset and behavior. This way of life should not be glorified in any manner or form. |
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04-13-2018, 07:54 PM | #209 |
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Okay, this is absolutely absurd. Rap takes nothing from the blues. There is no commonality musically or lyrically. Blues guys were pouring out their pain, crying out their inner feelings and emotions. Rap is all about posturing and it's all about their aggression and masochism and trying to justify living a life full of crime.
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04-13-2018, 07:56 PM | #210 |
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