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Old 04-27-2018, 04:25 PM   #91
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The album would be a great comedown after the bombast of MCIS, and a great record in general, if it was more acoustic and chill and less trying to hop on the goth bandwagon

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 04:59 PM   #92
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you can't exclude blank page

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 05:31 PM   #93
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cresfallen and czarina are missing

not to mention becoz u r

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 06:02 PM   #94
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wtf with people cutting shame. it's a great song. and as a simple song it's got great depth.
Great song indeed, not easy to take something so "thin" and expand upon it with so much feeling.

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 06:06 PM   #95
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The album would be a great comedown after the bombast of MCIS, and a great record in general, if it was more acoustic and chill and less trying to hop on the goth bandwagon
He was obviously lost at the time. He wanted to do an acoustic record, that's why the original producer was hired for what was in 1997 Corgans "solo-record". But then he also saw the market value in the "dark-pop" that Manson and others were doing at the time, and thought himself genius enough to mix together everything into an idiosyncratic album that would fuse those elements.

It is a jewel of an album tho, but can be a bit dreary at times.

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 07:09 PM   #96
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I don't think Billy was jumping on any sort of "goth bandwagon", that's ridiculous. His music always had that influence to begin with. There's plenty of goth elements on MCIS already.

 
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:02 PM   #97
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He was trying to go with the 1979 hype and thought people would accept the change. Sometimes I think if he was a bit more positive about how the album was selling publicly tee fans reason would've been more positive as well.

He also should've gone Guns'n'Roses and released For Martha as a single, with an expensive video and everything.

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:25 AM   #98
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I don't really like Crestfallen would be good with it replacing that one
I thought I hated crestfallen a couple months ago when I played it while folding laundry and it was so monogray and plodding and WHO AM EYYEEEEEEYEEEEEEEEEEE

But then just this week i was frowning on how my dad doesn’t love me and discovered exactly all that i’ve tried to maybe build or can ever dream to possibly construct....

my dad molded all of that stuff, the material that makes up my life that’s not my own, like clay (with his peen, accidentally, one drunken night) and now can break like dirt (with his rejection) even though i am a middle-aged human and like to think that as i was, i wont be again, but i am

So rite now i Fucken love crestfallen, obviously

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:03 AM   #99
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I've never thought of crestfallen as a mom-song. I thought it was just a whiny girlfriend song...

never understood why it was made a single. might had made annie-dog a single. /// wait................, is annie dog a mom-song too? is annie dog about his mom? that's fuckd up. Is perfect is also about his mom? they're ALL songs about his mom? billy's more fucked up than even I had thought. what a fucked up dude.

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:18 AM   #100
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"you make me real" birthing mom song
"you'll always be my whore" fucked up mom song?
"next time, I promise we'll be perfect" incestual mom song
"You love him more than this" mom song I guess
"mother I'm tiered" obviously mom song
"heaven is to blame for taking you away" dead mom song
"And you may go, but I know you won't leave" mom song
"What if, what is isn't you?" I don't think this is a mom song
"Inside where it's warm " prenatal mom song
"Let the waste cross the ancient trails to you " mom the actress song
"Gives of herself and the magnet head" slut mom song
"don't let them get to you" this is just a billy song
"I can't go on, digging roses from you grave " dead mom song
"see you on the other side" dead mom song
"No more little girl" mostly just a billy song, but a little mom...

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Old 04-28-2018, 01:29 PM   #101
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next do machina but only from a father lover perspective pls

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 08:13 PM   #102
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I thought I hated crestfallen a couple months ago when I played it while folding laundry and it was so monogray and plodding and WHO AM EYYEEEEEEYEEEEEEEEEEE

But then just this week i was frowning on how my dad doesnít love me and discovered exactly all that iíve tried to maybe build or can ever dream to possibly construct....

my dad molded all of that stuff, the material that makes up my life thatís not my own, like clay (with his peen, accidentally, one drunken night) and now can break like dirt (with his rejection) even though i am a middle-aged human and like to think that as i was, i wont be again, but i am

So rite now i Fucken love crestfallen, obviously
i can't get into it because of monte's site

song feels tainted

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:00 PM   #103
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The album would be a great comedown after the bombast of MCIS, and a great record in general, if it was more acoustic and chill and less trying to hop on the goth bandwagon
There was no goth bandwagon in 1998; there was Marilyn Manson and a bunch of irritated Sisters of Mercy and Cure and Skinny Puppy fanbases who were swearing up and down his and Trent Reznor's music wasn't goth or industrial. And a bunch of shitty nu-metal bands with black nail polish. Different things.

Sonically it certainly doesn't derive much from anything 90's club kids would be listening to, and apart from the Joy Division cover it has little more in common with the post-punk stuff Bill used to like. His goth stuff was pre-gish.

Also stop shitting on it because Jimmy's not on it, fucking seriously man

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:19 PM   #104
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honest to god it's not a Jimmy thing

It's not like I hate the record, it's just a few songs/vibes I'm not into

 
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:03 PM   #105
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man i love adore

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:37 AM   #106
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do u adore adore?

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:38 AM   #107
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i can't get into it because of monte's site

song feels tainted
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:53 AM   #108
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Monte only felt uncomfortable to call his black page "Christfallen"...

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:18 AM   #109
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a better Adore...

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Eye (Lost Highway Soundtrack/Judas O)
04 Perfect
05 Daphne Descends
06 Saturnine (Judas O)
07 Tear
08 Crestfallen
09 Waiting (Judas O)
10 Appels + Oranjes
11 Pug
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Blissed And Gone (Judas O)
17 17

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Old 04-29-2018, 04:59 AM   #110
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This is one of the never ending SP conversations, apparently. Adore is what it is. It's the general vibe of the record that turned off people who loved Today, BWBW etc. No minor change in the tracklist would've changed that. It would've made them a drastically smaller presence in the mainstream compared to 93-97 no matter what. Had it been shorter, it might've gotten better reviews, but it would not have continued their chart success in any scenario.

Reminds me of how Radiohead fans speak of "Lift" as the long lost Radiohead single that would've made them the next U2 or whatever.

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:48 AM   #111
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a better Adore...

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Eye (Lost Highway Soundtrack/Judas O)
04 Perfect
05 Daphne Descends
06 Saturnine (Judas O)
07 Tear
08 Crestfallen
09 Waiting (Judas O)
10 Appels + Oranjes
11 Pug
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Blissed And Gone (Judas O)
17 17

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HAVE YOU HEARD OF CZARINA

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 05:48 AM   #112
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Reminds me of how Radiohead fans speak of "Lift" as the long lost Radiohead single that would've made them the next U2 or whatever.
lol thank god no

 
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:25 AM   #113
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HAVE YOU HEARD OF CZARINA
Once In A while

 
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