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Old 03-11-2013, 12:29 PM   #1
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Default Deftones album review that compares them to Pumpkins

http://www.spin.com/reviews/deftones...-yokan-reprise

Deftones always have gotten praise for their (modest) curiosity, but they were always less like reigning magpies Radiohead and more like Smashing Pumpkins — a more minimal, more focused, and much heavier Smashing Pumpkins, as devoted to operatic emotional intensity, but less distracted by stupid bullshit. It's their sensuality, not their experimentation, that's carried them all the way from 1995 to 2012 intact. Deftones songs envelope you in an amplified wash, a swaddled state in which every emotion is stretched to the dramatic width of one of frontman Chino Moreno's vowels, then swept majestically away.

 
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:15 PM   #2
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God dammit I hate music journalists with a furious passion.

 
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:14 PM   #3
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Hey hey we're the deftones!
And people say we deftone around!
But we're too busy singing!
To take out our hogs for you!!!!!!!!

 
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:58 AM   #4
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God dammit I hate music journalists with a furious passion.

This.
Shut up with your prolix verbal diarrhea and get to the fucking point already. Your inane music reviews are ruining my enjoyment of Fresh Air. English majors are also evil incarnate BTW.

 
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:27 AM   #5
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yeah, fuck people who know the goddamn language

 
Old 03-12-2013, 04:19 PM   #6
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are people such boneheads that they can't even parse sentences with words like majestically now without kicking up shit? lol hopeless.

 
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:27 PM   #7
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lol

 
Old 03-12-2013, 07:23 PM   #8
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yeah, fuck people who know the goddamn language
yeah i wouldn't say that about the person who wrote this

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every emotion is stretched to the dramatic width of one of frontman Chino Moreno's vowels
Pitchfork called they want their gimmick back.

 
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:08 PM   #9
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i was just defending english majors in general
i'm fairly certain whoever wrote that was either not an english major or a not particularly attentive student

 
Old 03-14-2013, 08:09 PM   #10
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this thread annoys me though because it implies like this is some brand new thing

there have been deftones/pumpkins comparisons ever since white pony

 
Old 03-15-2013, 12:30 AM   #11
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The comparisons are stupid. Why isn't it good enough to say that people who are fans of bands such as the Smashing Pumpkins and who also happen to enjoy their heavier and darker side may also enjoy The Deftones?

 
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:23 AM   #12
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...you just made a comparison between them?

 
Old 03-15-2013, 01:25 AM   #13
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:26 AM   #14
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corgan could never do that, and deftones could never do, say, rocket or for martha

 
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:27 AM   #15
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when pumpkins went nu metal it was perfect (bodies)

it's kinda insulting to call bodies nu metal tho

 
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:29 AM   #16
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some of MCIS is nu metal, and machina and zeitgeist definitely are

 
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:47 AM   #17
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Could someone please explain the main difference between nu metal and nu rock/post-grunge to me?

If slipknot is nu metal and silverchair is post-grunge, what is try, try, try?

And yes, I am that stupid.

 
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:32 PM   #18
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Some of MCIS and Zeitgeist might be considered alternative metal. Alternative metal is metal with alt. rock influences. Nu metal is different. Seven string guitars, downtuned guitars, more focus on rhythm guitar as opposed to lead guitar

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Old 03-16-2013, 02:48 AM   #19
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Trots what is this about calling any aspect of MCIS nu-metal? I brought that up about Machina with particular regard to a certain few songs on the record and moreover their live sound at the time, but it seems a very strange label to apply to MCIS.

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...you just made a comparison between them?
Not exactly. I was pointing out the difference between rock critics who feel the need to constantly play one band off the other, as if there needs to be some sort of direct competition between the two (as if they play the same style of music, which they clearly do not) rather than to just accept that they are horses of different stripes with perhaps some areas of broad stylistic overlap which may lead one who enjoys some particular aspect of band X to also enjoy band Y if that is the appeal for them.

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Some of MCIS and Zeitgeist might be considered alternative metal. Alternative metal is metal with alt. rock influences. Nu metal is different. Seven string guitars, downtuned guitars, more focus on rhythm guitar as opposed to lead guitar
Nu metal is like dance music for 14 year old boys with an aggressive streak. Most of it was actually made with moshers in mind.

 
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So in which category goes Machina?

 
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:24 AM   #21
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Machina is also alternative metal. Everlasting Gaze, Imploding Voice, and Heavy Metal Machine are not nu metal in the slightest.

 
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Trots what is this about calling any aspect of MCIS nu-metal? I brought that up about Machina with particular regard to a certain few songs on the record and moreover their live sound at the time, but it seems a very strange label to apply to MCIS.

Nu metal is like dance music for 14 year old boys with an aggressive streak. Most of it was actually made with moshers in mind.
XYU

not that being nu metal automatically makes it SUCK i defended system of a down a bit back in the days of nu metal

 
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I think Machina could also be considered post-grunge at times. Age of Innocence and Wound have that feel.

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anyone confused about genres please don't pay any attention to catherine wheel

 
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:19 AM   #25
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What did I say that was so bad? I gave a clear description of alternative metal and nu metal.

 
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:33 AM   #26
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"post grunge" to start with

 
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:43 AM   #27
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not that being nu metal automatically makes it SUCK i defended system of a down a bit back in the days of nu metal
But I don't think that SOAD are really very nu metal...yes, alt metal most definitely, with a strong element of punk and thrash thrown in.

I think of nu metal as having a more shiny, glossy straight forward anthemic sound which tends to emphasize hyperbolically low tuned rhythm guitar and often includes elements of industrial, electronic, and/or hip-hop. Korn, Limp Bizkit, (early) Incubus, Static X, Saliva, etc. were nu metal.

 
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:35 PM   #28
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jellybelly, TOASE, Fuck You - Alternative metal?

but personally fuck those labels
it's just rock.

 
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:41 PM   #29
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but personally fuck those labels
it's just rock.
srsly

 
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:44 PM   #30
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http://www.revolvermag.com/lists-2/f...99s-world.html

Deftones Frontman Chino Moreno Recommends Five Non-Metal Albums for Metalheads

Smashing Pumpkins
Siamese Dream
(Virgin, 1993)
“Billy Corgan’s vocals were more soothing when Butch Vig produced him; after that, he started to get all fucking whiny. But he definitely influenced Team Sleep in the beginning. A lot of that guitar shit on that record is beautiful. When we play live, that whole wall of guitar thing that he had is what we try to go for—heavy, but also soothing, like it hugs you.”

 
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