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Old 11-20-2020, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default Cyr gets savaged in review by the Art Desk

Ouch - does the reviewer post here? Lol

https://theartsdesk.com/new-music/al...pumpkins-–-cyr

Album: Smashing Pumpkins – Cyr
Grunge veterans pump out a joyless dirge

“It’s almost a truism in rock’n’roll that within every padded and bloated double album, there’s a fine single disc waiting to burst out. Among the plethora of tunes on Smashing Pumpkins’ first double album since 1995’s fine Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, however, there’s barely enough to fill a worthwhile EP. In fact, given the joyless musical Mogadon on offer on Cyr, even that might be something of a stretch.

Flat and uninspiring tunes follow dreary and unmemorable dirges almost without pause for great swathes of the 70 minutes or so of Smashing Pumpkins’ latest effort. “The colour of your love is grey” sings mainman Billy Corgan on the opening track and it pretty much describes everything to be found within Cyr. Synth-heavy and almost riff-free songs such as “Wrath”, “Ramona” and “Anno Satanna” trundle along in a mid-tempo plod and it’s not until almost half-way into the album that “Wyttch” raises its head to inject anything approaching a groove. By this point, however, it requires a concerted effort to pay any attention to whatever’s limping out of the speakers. It has to be said that things don’t get any more engaging with the likes of the bumbling “Telegenix”, “Adrennalynne” and “Haunted” during the second half of this seemingly endless long player either.

This writer’s last experience of Smashing Pumpkins was to be in the audience for their disappointing performance at 2019’s Download Festival, where Corgan appeared on stage dressed as the Addams Family’s Uncle Fester and his band of personality-free miseries struggled to show any enthusiasm whatsoever during their set. Unfortunately, very little seems to have changed in the last year or so and it’s almost impossible to believe that the Smashing Pumpkins on Cyr is, with the exception of long-ousted former bassist D’Arcy Wretzky, the same band that once gave the world tunes like the glorious “Cherub Rock”, “Bullet with Butterfly Wings” and “Drown”.”

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:02 PM   #2
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Couldn't agree more. This band is finished.

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:25 PM   #3
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Clearly, they armchair critics, troll media, and "powers that be" just don't understand that his genius is ahead of its time. In 20 years, they will all be saying that Cyr is an underrated masterpiece and asking, "why doesn't Corgan write classic songs like that anymore?"

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:49 PM   #4
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Not disagreeing with the reviewer, but do people think they’re the first one to do the Uncle Fester bit? Go with Yul Brynner or something.

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:52 PM   #5
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Before he got fat, he was Nosferatu.

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:35 PM   #6
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Not disagreeing with the reviewer, but do people think they’re the first one to do the Uncle Fester bit? Go with Yul Brynner or something.
I think it's just so uncanny it's hard to not mention

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:38 PM   #7
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absolutely perfect. love the drown citation too; no one really mentions that song formally

riff-free. how do you even write songs like that

 
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:40 PM   #8
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the only thing i hate more than this record is the fucking sycophants on his insta going 'look at my toddler dancing to SEEYR'

i wanna throw up. it's just so depressing and gross and bad and ughhhh

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:33 AM   #9
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Billy’s recent output, combined with his idiotic statements over the past decade or so, have made me embarrassed to tell people that the Pumpkins were (and in some ways always will be) my favorite band. While I refuse to let the asshole that Corgan has become (or probably always was) ruin classics like Mayo, Starla and Jupiter’s Lament, it’s gotten tougher to even mention them when having a conversation with friends about good music, even if you’re just referencing their old stuff. I wish I had shackled myself to one of their contemporaries; I imagine diehard Pearl Jam fans or AIC fans don’t feel ashamed over how their faves have turned out. And even if they do, it’s probably not this level of shame.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:59 AM   #10
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The colour of your love is grey” sings mainman Billy Corgan on the opening track
That's not the opening track.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 02:23 AM   #11
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On the album tracklist it is

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:45 AM   #12
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That's not the opening track.
WRONG

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:04 AM   #13
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exept wyttch and little bit ramona

i like all the song

birch groove
purple blood
wrath


first album without lenght song ?

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:17 AM   #14
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you know there's a great thread about earphoria one down from this one

no need to suffer through trying to figure out what the fuck purple rain is

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 10:34 AM   #15
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There's another review on The Times but I am not a member

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...r-22-f0rcb2pdn

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Old 11-22-2020, 11:36 AM   #16
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Cyr @ 72mins is a double album
Adore @ 73mins is not.

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Old 11-22-2020, 12:11 PM   #17
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"don't be deceived by the miraculously brief title" lol

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:57 PM   #18
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This album is complete garbage so far.. and if it doesn't get panned then something is seriously wrong with fucking fake news and fake reviews.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:04 PM   #19
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If the reviewers don't agree with me it's because they are fake.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:09 PM   #20
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mid-tempo
dirge
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this is great stuff

We have really had hints of this on his solo material as well. Sort of like latter-day Neil Young, most of these songs should end up on the cutting room floor, but instead we get albums of meandering tunelessness. Cyr sounds like it is basically two songs so far - a synthpop song and whatever Wyyyyttttccchhh is going for. Why turn each of these ideas into 10 tracks apiece? A total waste of everyone's time.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:22 PM   #21
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Completely disagree with the review and hate. I love Cyr, no joke.

 
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:20 PM   #22
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Reviewed by... who?

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 12:39 AM   #23
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“his band of personality-free miseries struggled to show any enthusiasm whatsoever”

This reminds me of the stills and gifs posted here of the reunion interviews and early SAOSB shows. Solid gold.

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 03:34 AM   #24
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i think it's a fair, intellectually honest review

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 03:40 AM   #25
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The Times one mentioned half the songs had vintage synths. Does that mean the other half don't?

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 03:49 AM   #26
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Maybe they haven't even heard the other half. The rest of the article is idiotic.

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 05:15 AM   #27
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The Times review in full:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPum..._sunday_times/

Apparently Billy's vocals have never sounded sweeter than Dulcet of E...

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 05:24 AM   #28
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I can't wait to hear Adrennalynne!

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 05:41 AM   #29
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Both terrible “reviews”

 
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Old 11-23-2020, 06:42 AM   #30
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Ramona's lyrics are like some sort of parody.


Yet I shan't gander far
Beyond her spells enchant
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Storms with thee
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Ooh, the incantations of
The souls she's torched to dust
By hex that had no stage


What the fuck is this?
Definitely one of his worst vocal takes as well.

 
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