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Old 11-06-2020, 01:40 PM   #91
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Lol this was never the presumption until south Carolina! Are your memories really that bad?
they're different than yours, in any case.

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 06:57 PM   #92
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Iirc primary order had been in place for many cycles prior to 2016

An understandable beef would be the selection of debate dates. That did suck but since when did people choose candidates based on debates.

Hillary beat Bernie worse than Barack beat Hillary. Superdelegates didn’t have a hand in either race. But yeah it’s a useless thing to have.

The party is bad and dumb which is why I think it’s laughable anyone would think they’re capable of rigging anything.
The superdelegates are more of a factor in shaping public opinion. CNN and all major media outlets would add superdelegates to Clinton's total count as soon as the Iowa caucus was over, even though they functionally tied there, making Clinton's lead seem insurmountable. What impacts this actually had, if any, is impossible to know. I'm not going to bicker over minutiae - there's plausible deniability and rational explanations in each of these instances. It's more a matter of the primary being structured to prevent outsiders from making any headway. This is something D's and R's are exceedingly efficient at doing.

But even with some of these structural changes going away after 2016, Bernie had no real chance once the centrists dropped out and consolidated around Biden. IIRC Buttigieg didn't drop out until Obama called him the night before Super Tuesday. Whatevs, that's politics. And most importantly, people under 30 just didn't show up. The people who support Bernie by 80+%. The only reason he had a chance in 2016 is people fucking hate Hillary Clinton. We could have had Marxist populism, but the DNC pissed it away to Trump and instead we got stupid populism

Whoever harnesses that populist undercurrent is going to win in 2024

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Old 11-06-2020, 07:11 PM   #93
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The way I see it, there are 3 types of Trump supporters:

1) people fucked by neoliberalism with a legitimate economic grievance

2) religious fundamentalists who think Trump is ordained by god

3) regular old neocons

Straight-up racists contribute to all 3 of these circles


For now, I'm just glad to not have to worry about the POTUS starting WWIII from his golden crapper at 3AM because someone made fun of him on Twitter. I supposes that's still a possibility until January 21.

But 2024 and beyond is just gonna be a revival of neofascism or neoconservatism unless the Democrats acknowledge group #1 above and make some tough stands against corporate capitalism

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 07:38 PM   #94
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someone take Trump out of the oven cause this mofker is done
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Old 11-06-2020, 07:40 PM   #95
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usually you have to be a pretty shit to be a one term in the US

feels good we get to banish this bronze idle to the D-league of history

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 07:52 PM   #96
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I dunno, I thought that Jimmy Carter was one of the better presidents, and he only got one term.

Didn't Daddy Bush have high approval ratings during much of his presidency? I mean, I don't like him, but he was certainly better than his kiddo, who got to serve two terms.

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 08:43 PM   #97
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do these people on cnn get any sleep at all? I see the same faces live no matter at what time I watch it

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 08:44 PM   #98
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that rick Santorum dude is also still there

cyborgs?

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 09:55 PM   #99
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We ought to have news anchors counting the votes, in that case.

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:10 PM   #100
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The way I see it, there are 3 types of Trump supporters:

1) people fucked by neoliberalism with a legitimate economic grievance

2) religious fundamentalists who think Trump is ordained by god

3) regular old neocons

Straight-up racists contribute to all 3 of these circles


For now, I'm just glad to not have to worry about the POTUS starting WWIII from his golden crapper at 3AM because someone made fun of him on Twitter. I supposes that's still a possibility until January 21.

But 2024 and beyond is just gonna be a revival of neofascism or neoconservatism unless the Democrats acknowledge group #1 above and make some tough stands against corporate capitalism
Good post. Iím hopeful AOC will primary Kamala in 2024. If the Dems want to win they should get behind AOC. Sheís a star and she actually favors policies that will help people and the planet.

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:11 PM   #101
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Turns out it didn’t matter who Squish Squash voted for in a deep red state, eh?

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:17 PM   #102
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Wasn't the main thrust of your argument that young people wouldn't turn out for Biden and that it'd deliver a win for Trump?


 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:17 AM   #103
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Turns out it didnít matter who Squish Squash voted for in a deep red state, eh?
No one said it mattered because it would change the outcome

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:17 AM   #104
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lol. it's almost like the concept of Trump being unbeatable by a traditional liberal makes no sense because it uses a sample size of 1 (2016 election) and extrapolates it to the rule and not an exception

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 02:42 AM   #105
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If Trump wins, it proves my point that voting against him is futile.

If Trump loses, it proves my point that voting against him is unnecessary.

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:30 PM   #106
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we did it guise

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:35 PM   #107
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:35 PM   #108
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NYT just called pennsylvania for biden

Any others? Looks like this if finally over

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:46 PM   #109
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even fox!

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 12:46 PM   #110
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congrats everyone, we did it!

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:27 PM   #111
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Amazing. You can all go back to brunch now while Biden bombs brown kids and continues to let the working class suffer!

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:32 PM   #112
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I'm also upset that the 2020 election didn't immediately lead to fully automated luxury international space anarcho-communism like I thought it would.

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:34 PM   #113
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We’ve already shown you that Trump increased bombings overseas from Obama.

Just shut up you anti-intellectual anti-data ideologue social media baby

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:43 PM   #114
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ok jeez sorry

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 01:58 PM   #115
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Yay!!!

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 02:13 PM   #116
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Old 11-07-2020, 02:14 PM   #117
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Still sure now more than ever that Squish is fuzzy reincarnated, just trolling us in the other direction now.

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 02:33 PM   #118
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I’m not trolling and unless you think fuzzy is somehow capable of changing how he looks I’ve already posted a pic of myself. You can find me saying the same things on twitter @Squishsquashfan


@RBG, I am aware of that. No one is denying Trump is a war criminal. Just pointing out you guys are celebrating electing Diet Trump.

 
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must have missed this!

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 04:06 PM   #120
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@RBG, I am aware of that. No one is denying Trump is a war criminal. Just pointing out you guys are celebrating electing Diet Trump.
Nope

 
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