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Old 10-22-2020, 09:58 AM   #151
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vitaldust, you are criticizing netphoria as a whole for being overly critical and dismissive of everything BC does while doing the same exact thing to this board.

also, get off your high horse. you are coming across like a pretentious douche know it all. where's your supposed empathy for members on here with which you disagree?

get over yourself.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:07 AM   #152
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everyone on here comes off as a pretentious douche know-it-all.

get over yourselves.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:08 AM   #153
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Of course you have every right to your opinion. But I also have a right to point out that your opinion and the mechanisms behind it could be seen as unkind and insensitive. I'm not saying you are unkind and insensitive (I don't know you), just that there are better ways to respond to the pain of other people.

Don't you mean Cyr me a river?

I've been visiting Netphoria since 1998. I used to spend my free period in HS browsing these threads. Your order of expulsion to a different board for promoting compassion basically proves my above points.
But you're applying my response to the pain of other people saying "I am suicidal" which is something I would respond with an appropriate degree of compassion in everyday circumstance, with multimillionaires who are "unkind and insensitive" on a daily basis to those less fortunate than them, and they don't get a free pass because they once talked about suicidal feelings to journalists, whilst taking a shit ton of recreational drugs and promoting their record or whatever product they are selling. These are not the same thing. My posting shit about Billy Corgan on Netphoria means nothing to Billy Corgan. He's happily drinking tea, writing wrestling fan-fiction, making megalomaniac self-indulgent music and throwing shit at literally everybody on instagram and in interviews etc. I'm sure he can take it.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:13 AM   #154
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vitaldust, you are criticizing netphoria as a whole for being overly critical and dismissive of everything BC does while doing the same exact thing to this board.

also, get off your high horse. you are coming across like a pretentious douche know it all. where's your supposed empathy for members on here with which you disagree?

get over yourself.
Do you really not see the difference between callus and unsympathetic statements about an individual's struggle with mental illness and responses that attempt to point out the inhumanity of those statements?

I am being critical of the unilateral negativity here not the people as people that populate this board. I never once suggested that anyone's subjective experience was illegitimate. The snuck premise that my comments enact the conditions of my criticism bypasses that simple point. I have only suggested that understanding, sympathy, and compassion are often ignored here and that they shouldn't be.

If suggesting that someone's admission of being suicidal should be taken seriously puts me on a high horse, then so be it. Ride on, motherfucker.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:16 AM   #155
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Someone telling you that they're depressed or suicidal is one thing. Someone announcing to the world that they are/were suicidal but didn't do it which makes them better than a rival who did do it is what we in the biz call "playing the heel".

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:20 AM   #156
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But you're applying my response to the pain of other people saying "I am suicidal" which is something I would respond with an appropriate degree of compassion in everyday circumstance, with multimillionaires who are "unkind and insensitive" on a daily basis to those less fortunate than them, and they don't get a free pass because they once talked about suicidal feelings to journalists, whilst taking a shit ton of recreational drugs and promoting their record or whatever product they are selling. These are not the same thing. My posting shit about Billy Corgan on Netphoria means nothing to Billy Corgan. He's happily drinking tea, writing wrestling fan-fiction, making megalomaniac self-indulgent music and throwing shit at literally everybody on instagram and in interviews etc. I'm sure he can take it.
So millionaires don't deserve the same type of sympathy for being suicidal as everyday people? That doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't matter who is experiencing those feelings.

Your consistent linkage of BC's suicidal admission to record promotion demonstrates a negation of his subjectivity.

The point is not that you are hurting BC's feelings. More that the thought patterns here tend to be cruel.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:20 AM   #157
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Someone telling you that they're depressed or suicidal is one thing. Someone announcing to the world that they are/were suicidal but didn't do it which makes them better than a rival who did do it is what we in the biz call "playing the heel".
No. It's called the mentality of a survivor.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:24 AM   #158
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I happen to know that Woody, being a Smashing Pumpkins fan in the year 2020, has some serious mental health issues and is also a suicide survivor. Being mean about WPC being mean about suicide is how he copes.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:26 AM   #159
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I happen to know that Woody, being a Smashing Pumpkins fan in the year 2020, has some serious mental health issues and is also a suicide survivor. Being mean about WPC being mean about suicide is how he copes.
Love to you, Woody.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:29 AM   #160
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So millionaires don't deserve the same type of sympathy for being suicidal as everyday people? That doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't matter who is experiencing those feelings.

Your consistent linkage of BC's suicidal admission to record promotion demonstrates a negation of his subjectivity.

The point is not that you are hurting BC's feelings. More that the thought patterns here tend to be cruel.
If someone, anyone, claims to have been suicidal then you should never doubt them or be mean about them, regardless of contradictory evidence or context or their own subsequent shitty behavior?

BC's suicide admission was made during record promotion. Feel free to correct me on that. It was intrinsically linked by him to the song Today. As in he was at rock bottom and then he wrote Today.

Also, Bon Iver broke up with his girlfriend and wrote his debut For Emma, Forever Ago alone & heartbroken in a remote cabin. The White Stripes are brother and sister, Kings of Leon grew up in a commune. No artist's would lie about themselves to promote the records they are trying to sell.

True or not, I'm just saying in the context of 90's alt-rock a suicide survival story would not have hurt the single or album.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:31 AM   #161
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I happen to know that Woody, being a Smashing Pumpkins fan in the year 2020, has some serious mental health issues and is also a suicide survivor.
I actually succeeded and my spirit has been bound to Netphoria as eternal punishment.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:09 AM   #162
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If it helps let me return to the example of my dad once again for a second

This is a man who bullied me and my sister with narcissistic abuse from the time we were infants which resulted (at least in my case) in a near-total destruction of selfhood to say nothing of self esteem (the latter of which remains a daily struggle to even approach). His bullying/invalidation of me, which continues to this day, has led me to the brink of suicidal plan making at many low points in my life

You know what he does if u ever try to bring any of these things up to him? Tell sob stories about his terrible childhood, brag about his own suicidal ideations. All of this to teach me that there’s nothing i could ever, ever complain about because my own suffering is nothing compared to his. Also he can treat anyone however he likes because he’s just a damaged man, doing his best

So then he gets to skip off happy as a clam, having solved the temporary inconvenience/boredom of having to listen to my emotions. And im left even more alienated than before i attempted to reach out to him.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:13 AM   #163
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So to return to big willie, i think woody has a point in that we can be skeptical of the possibility someone is advertising their own suffering in an opportunistic way, especially when you’re dealing with a narcissist. The narcissist understands that suffering can be currency. And that there’s no better shield to deflect criticism/questioning than “i hurt too, yknow”

Basically im pretty sure big willie doesn’t “hurt” today—if he did the music would be better! Instead, he gets his kicks hurting others. The way he treats fans on instragram is straight-up abusive. Big willie doesn’t know if he just smashed some 11-year-olds dreams, he just goes LOL and goes on to the next one

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Old 10-22-2020, 11:29 AM   #164
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His social media persona is cool, good and "netphorian".

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:33 AM   #165
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+ I think if you say "Rocket is my favorite song ever!!" he reads it as "I'm 37 years old and first heard Rocket when I was a teenager. My tastes haven't matured at all since then and I haven't enjoyed anything you've done in the last 10 years!!" and he's probably right 99% of the time.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:36 PM   #166
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So to return to big willie, i think woody has a point in that we can be skeptical of the possibility someone is advertising their own suffering in an opportunistic way, especially when you’re dealing with a narcissist. The narcissist understands that suffering can be currency. And that there’s no better shield to deflect criticism/questioning than “i hurt too, yknow”

Basically im pretty sure big willie doesn’t “hurt” today—if he did the music would be better! Instead, he gets his kicks hurting others. The way he treats fans on instragram is straight-up abusive. Big willie doesn’t know if he just smashed some 11-year-olds dreams, he just goes LOL and goes on to the next one
How is admitting suffering anything other than admitting suffering? You can be skeptical of anything, so why choose his suffering? Why not aim that skeptical eye upon your own approach to how other people feel pain?

The so-called "opportunistic" motivation behind this admission is something imagined, something created that should not be accepted as a fact.

So is the "fact" of his narcissism, which is used here so casually and without nuance (i.e. every human subject necessarily adheres to some degree of narcissism) as a way of defending the most determined negative opinions about him.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:37 PM   #167
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And...how the fuck do you know he doesn't hurt now?

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:38 PM   #168
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If it helps let me return to the example of my dad once again for a second

This is a man who bullied me and my sister with narcissistic abuse from the time we were infants which resulted (at least in my case) in a near-total destruction of selfhood to say nothing of self esteem (the latter of which remains a daily struggle to even approach). His bullying/invalidation of me, which continues to this day, has led me to the brink of suicidal plan making at many low points in my life

You know what he does if u ever try to bring any of these things up to him? Tell sob stories about his terrible childhood, brag about his own suicidal ideations. All of this to teach me that there’s nothing i could ever, ever complain about because my own suffering is nothing compared to his. Also he can treat anyone however he likes because he’s just a damaged man, doing his best

So then he gets to skip off happy as a clam, having solved the temporary inconvenience/boredom of having to listen to my emotions. And im left even more alienated than before i attempted to reach out to him.
This sounds awful. I'm sorry you went through it man. I can relate.

But...BC is not your dad.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:47 PM   #169
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Do you really not see the difference between callus and unsympathetic statements about an individual's struggle with mental illness and responses that attempt to point out the inhumanity of those statements?

I am being critical of the unilateral negativity here not the people as people that populate this board. I never once suggested that anyone's subjective experience was illegitimate. The snuck premise that my comments enact the conditions of my criticism bypasses that simple point. I have only suggested that understanding, sympathy, and compassion are often ignored here and that they shouldn't be.

If suggesting that someone's admission of being suicidal should be taken seriously puts me on a high horse, then so be it. Ride on, motherfucker.

lots of anger here vitaldust. ironic you can't see that. and if understanding, sympathy, and compassion are ignored and shouldn't be, start by being the example first. otherwise you're being hypocritical.

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Old 10-22-2020, 02:00 PM   #170
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No, not anger. Just advocating against unwarranted cruelty towards another human being and the invalidation of their lived experiences. It's not ironic.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 02:23 PM   #171
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Billy has been plenty cruel to others himself. So what about that?

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 02:42 PM   #172
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No, not anger. Just advocating against unwarranted cruelty towards another human being and the invalidation of their lived experiences. It's not ironic.
Calling me motherfucker, lyric or not, is anger. It's ironic because you are the self-appointed behavior police for the board.

Here's a mirror. Try to focus

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 03:38 PM   #173
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"Ride on, motherfucker" is a lyric from Slunk

And I was the one apparently riding the horse, therefore calling myself a motherfucker.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 03:41 PM   #174
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Billy has been plenty cruel to others himself. So what about that?
It's the nature and type of cruelty that matters. I have made this point clear in my previous posts.

 
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:01 PM   #175
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Superfluousdust.

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Old 10-22-2020, 11:11 PM   #176
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"Ride on, motherfucker" is a lyric from Slunk

And I was the one apparently riding the horse, therefore calling myself a motherfucker.
Well in that case, ride on, motherfucker

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:13 AM   #177
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The substitute:



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Old 10-23-2020, 09:15 AM   #178
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That crooked teeth shirt is an embarrassment.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:14 AM   #179
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A t-shirt referencing a line nobody remembers, from a song which has dated poorly and video nobody really liked.

I'm starting to think my feelings on the Pumpkins are too negative even for Netphoria.

 
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:17 AM   #180
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i bet she downloaded that font off a google search two minutes before opening MS Word to make that

 
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