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Old 11-06-2020, 11:08 PM   #121
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doomsday clock has the sickest opening riff and billy's bored lyric delivery is perfect.

 
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Old 11-06-2020, 11:10 PM   #122
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What’s the consensus on the Zeitgeist artwork?
the record company saw american idiot as an example of a 90s band maintaining success and slapped it together

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 04:59 PM   #123
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The cool shit on Zeitgeist sounds like it's muffled through a pillow behind a closed door

The bad shit is prominently featured above all of that. Billy talks too much and it's too esoteric. His voice is too clinical. His best lyrics are about personal relationships and human emotions, not vague musings about doomsday and political corruption
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Old 11-07-2020, 09:34 PM   #124
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You say these things like it’s worse than anything after

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 09:42 PM   #125
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I guess everyone hates this record and I am the only person in the universe that likes it wowee

 
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Old 11-07-2020, 11:03 PM   #126
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doomsday cock
it's lonely at the top

the lonely daze
will they ever stop

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Old 11-08-2020, 12:06 AM   #127
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I think Zeitgeist is a solid album. I think both Zeitgeit and Oceania were negatively impacted more by Billy alienating people than the actual music.

 
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Old 11-08-2020, 12:25 AM   #128
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Old 11-08-2020, 12:28 AM   #129
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Zeitgeist confirmed what Mary Star suggested: big willie was losing the ability to hear his own records. Maybe his ears are just broken. But they don’t sound right. They sound abhorrent. Especially coming off some of the lush warmness of how we were spoiled to get to hear big willie having been produced theretofore

 
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Old 11-08-2020, 12:29 AM   #130
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We all know Billy has no idea how to produce

 
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Old 11-08-2020, 12:35 AM   #131
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he started wearing earplugs around machina, right? maybe that's literally all it is

 
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:29 PM   #132
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His best lyrics are about personal relationships and human emotions, not vague musings about doomsday and political corruption
The lyrics on this record seem very personal to me

 
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Old 11-08-2020, 08:35 PM   #133
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said it once and i'll say it again - sneaker metal
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Old 11-09-2020, 12:26 AM   #134
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he started wearing earplugs around machina, right? maybe that's literally all it is
haha wearing earplugs in the studio

 
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Old 11-09-2020, 12:51 AM   #135
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no lol i mean maybe he started having hearing problems from all the gigs around adore/machina and started to take preventative measures in 2000. but whatever hearing damage persists in the studio and makes him produce like a dumbass

 
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:05 AM   #136
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I'm a big, big Zeitgeist Truther. It's a good album. The Truth is its bad reputation is more a product of the circumstances and manner of its release than the quality of music. Maybe it's just that I'm burnt out on most of SP1 but if I'm going to listen to SP it's either this or Machina.

I believe they went (mostly) DIY on purpose, knowing it would sound rough. The "Behind the Zeitgeist" thing and the photos inside say it all really. WPC playing guitar wearing a hoodie. It was a "grunge"/"punk" recalibration/reinvention after the excess of Machina. 2 guys making music. No big name producer, no budget, no costumes, no makeup.

Why they thought this was the right approach for the big reunion album and why they contradicted the whole thing with the silly corporate multiple versions shenanigans, silly costumes and rockstar bullshit is a mystery.

 
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Old 11-09-2020, 11:43 AM   #137
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I think Zeitgeist would have been a good album with better production choices and tracklist choices

If you add on Stellar, Zeitgeist, and Ma Belle and take out Doomsday Clock, Bring the Light and God and Country (or record them not like shit), take out bad intro on Bleeding the Orchid and take out the bad background vocals on United States, it would be way way better.

Something like

Tarantula
7 Shades of Black
Bleeding the Orchid
That's The Way
Death from Above
Come On Let's Go
United States
Neverlost
Ma Belle
Stellar
Pomp
Zeitgeist

I would like to stick Starz on there but I don't think you can do Come on Let's Go + Starz. I like Starz way better but it sticks out as grating for sure. Although I'm tempted to put it on after Neverlost.

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Old 11-09-2020, 03:19 PM   #138
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I think Zeitgeist would have been a good album with better production choices and tracklist choices

If you add on Stellar, Zeitgeist, and Ma Belle and take out Doomsday Clock, Bring the Light and God and Country (or record them not like shit), take out bad intro on Bleeding the Orchid and take out the bad background vocals on United States, it would be way way better.

Something like

Tarantula
7 Shades of Black
Bleeding the Orchid
That's The Way
Death from Above
Come On Let's Go
United States
Neverlost
Ma Belle
Stellar
Pomp
Zeitgeist

I would like to stick Starz on there but I don't think you can do Come on Let's Go + Starz. I like Starz way better but it sticks out as grating for sure. Although I'm tempted to put it on after Neverlost.
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Also wtf would you take Doomsday off and leave fucking Tarantula as the opener.

Tarantula is SHIT.

 
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Old 11-09-2020, 06:36 PM   #139
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they are both shit tbh but idk what else to put there.

doomsday has more potential i guess but it is a shit song plus is recorded like shit

tarantula at least is recorded pretty well, no shitty-ass out of tune vocals and rhyming words with themselves. yes i know fight/night is not great either

might be able to stick bleeding the orchid up there without the stupid intro

 
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Old 11-13-2020, 07:47 PM   #140
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It's overproduced but the live version were great. Listen to that live album comp someone made on youtube.

 
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Old 11-13-2020, 08:33 PM   #141
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No big name producer,
pump the brakes

also fuck you guys doomsday clock shreds. if you disagree you've never been at the top.

 
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Old 11-13-2020, 09:57 PM   #142
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Roy Thomas Baker and Terry Date aren’t big name producers?
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Old 11-13-2020, 10:35 PM   #143
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i was just taking a dump, and i think the peaceful sounds of soft logs gently thumping the toilet water are better to listen to than at least half of zeitgeist

 
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Old 11-13-2020, 11:02 PM   #144
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pump the brakes

also fuck you guys doomsday clock shreds. if you disagree you've never been at the top.
Doomsday Clock shreds, it just needs better production
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Old 11-14-2020, 12:48 AM   #145
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who needs better production when you got the sweet "buddudum BAP BAP buddudum BAP" opening of James "Jimmy 'Jimbo' Jim" Chamberlin himself? y'all are reachin!

 
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Old 11-14-2020, 12:50 AM   #146
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for all the bs Bill has talked in the past 20 years, "burning the lies off your soul" was not in that category

mostly 'cause of Chambo & Bill's own sweet, sweet leads, but even so

 
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:07 AM   #147
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I've always thought Doomsday Clock was pretty slammin'. That drum intro and when the riff kicks in is like a damn freight train. The biggest issue was the vocals being way too loud.

 
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Old 11-14-2020, 04:05 AM   #148
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Fixed that for you: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mD9...ew?usp=sharing
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Old 11-14-2020, 09:27 AM   #149
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That drum intro and when the riff kicks in is like a damn freight train.
HELL YEA

 
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Old 11-14-2020, 09:28 AM   #150
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"burning the lies off your soul"
HAHA

forgot about this

 
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