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View Poll Results: Which release should I review by the end of the year
James Iha - Look to the Sky (2012) 9 22.50%
Smashing Pumpkins - Oceania Live in NYC (2013) 2 5.00%
William Patrick Corgan - Aegea (2014) 2 5.00%
William Patrick Corgan - Siddartha (2016) 17 42.50%
William Patrick Corgan - Ogilala (2017) 6 15.00%
Jimmy Chamberlain Complex - The Parable (2017) 6 15.00%
Smashing Pumpkins - Shiny And Oh So Bright — Vol. 1 / LP — No Past. No Future. No Sun. (2018) 8 20.00%
Night Dreamer - Treasure (2019) 9 22.50%
William Patrick Corgan - Cotillions (2019) 8 20.00%
other (please specify in post) 1 2.50%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-29-2019, 06:54 PM   #61
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Old 12-29-2019, 07:11 PM   #62
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:33 PM   #63
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Good on you, Shallowed.

Wish you would have done this on Saturday night. It's nice to see a few people show up in the chat to ride along for the show.

 
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:47 PM   #64
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tbh the worst thing about this is the terrible, laggy, glitchy quality of Monte's stream

I'd prefer to listen to a vinyl rip made with a Crosley

 
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:56 AM   #65
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Y'all should be giving Shallowed some serious 's for this.

 
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:59 PM   #66
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Are you considering a review of the runner-up, Shiny vol. 1? I think it's only 20 some minutes long.

 
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:25 PM   #67
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I'd expected here finally the long missed vinyl ripp, not the two videos from Monte again.

 
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:28 PM   #68
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I'm listening to it again while I write my review as an incentive to finish it.

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 03:02 AM   #69
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I don't recommend listening to Siddhartha.

But if you do, don't think about it. Don't analyse it. It is futile. Definitely don't listen to it one sitting. In writing this review, I had to drink several shots of whiskey to lower my inhibitions enough to remind myself of this. So that I wouldn't think about it, and just write.

Siddhartha -- the concept, the performance, the box set -- is emblematic of Smashing Pumpkins and Billy Corgan in the 2010s.

Here's what you already know about it:
* It's eight fucking hours of Billy Fucking… sorry, William Patrick Fucking Corgan dicking around with a giant vintage modular fucking synthesizer as an experimental pet project.
* The performance was shot on an iPotato and livestreamed to YouTube by Jonathan Fucking Monte, which is what most of us brave enough to subject ourselves to this thing have had to resort to.
* Corgan's own recording of the performance was independently released as an (admittedly well designed) 5LP box set nearly three years later, in a limited edition of 500 numbered pressings, half of which were signed by the bald man himself.

It's the most bizarre, stranger-than-fiction idea he has ever hatched from his egg head. There is no way that he had any idea what he was doing. It's utterly absurd. I really hope that Billy didn't expect anyone to take it as seriously as people have, because I can't take it seriously. The more I analyse it, the harder it is to get any amount of enjoyment out of it. It is more entertaining to read about the history of this thing for eight hours than to listen to it. And until now, I probably have spent more time reading about it than listening to it.

When I say, "I don't recommend listening to Siddhartha", what I mean is, I don't recommend listening to Monte's livestream recording. It contains just about every undesirable flaw that one would usually make some amount of effort to avoid. Look, I know it's obvious that the performance itself is nothing special. It's no Tangerine Dream or Brian Eno. But it's not just the audio quality that doesn't do the performance justice. It simply doesn't come off as an appropriate way to experience it.

Imagine if the performance hadn't been livestreamed. It could have been legendary. More legendary than it already is. There are few people who have witnessed the entire performance in person, because patrons of the teashop venue were rotated in and out. There is simply no way that something that is EIGHT FUCKING HOURS LONG should be experienced in one sitting. Let alone through the digital shit filter of the livestream.

This is, I think, where most of the criticism that Siddhartha gets is coming through. People judge Siddhartha by focussing too much on its length. And that's not very fair. At least if you had the box set, you're forced to flip or change the record every twenty minutes or so, or you could even just take a break, like you would at the end of a chapter in a book, and listen to something else, or nothing at all. If it were released on CD or digitally, those breaks aren't as suggestive. Even in the performance, there was an intermission of about ten or twenty minutes half way through. I didn't know that there was one until I listened through it. Now the most memorable thing about the whole thing is "Airplane Mode", and it's thanks to its inclusion on the livestream.

You'd also probably be able to hear the audiobook. I haven't read Siddhartha, and I hoped that I might be able to absorb it in its audiobook form, along with the performance.

There are plenty of sounds which are downright irritating. There is also plenty of potential for it to be a meditative experience, if you allow it. I can recall the first hour being reasonably pleasant, and thinking, "hey, this actually sounds pretty interesting, but I really wish I had a vinyl rip". The second hour probably couldn't be saved by any level of audio quality. Billy's lack of expertise becomes more glaringly apparent as he struggles to develop meaningless arpeggiated beeps. It makes me wonder if this is all a learning experience for him, and he wanted us to bear witness to it. Things seem to fall into place better in the second half, after the interlude. Jeff's ambient guitar playing is interesting. He gets an unfair amount of criticism in general. He's a talented guitarist.

About three hours in, I deleted all of my notes describing the sounds I was hearing when I realised there was nothing enticing about them, and that I still had five more hours worth of sounds to get through. It felt pointless repeating the same face-value descriptions you could find in other reviews. The experience itself, the self-awareness I felt, that I was actually listening to this stupid thing, was more worthwhile to analyse. But even then, it's so difficult to describe. It's not quite a spiritual journey like Hesse's titular character had (or at least, I assume he had, I couldn't tell because of the garbage audio quality) but it is undoubtedly a journey. It just doesn't lend itself to being concentrated on. Don't think about it. Definitely don't listen to it in one sitting. It's just William Patrick Corgan fucking around with a vintage synth. Just let it be.

I wish I gave myself more time to craft a more considered review but it's 7:30pm on New Years Eve, I'm drunk, I have festivities to attend, and I desperately want to put this whole thing behind me.

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Old 12-31-2019, 03:02 AM   #70
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I could write more, but

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 05:42 AM   #71
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Old 12-31-2019, 05:57 AM   #72
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why didn't you listen to the vinyl rip instead?

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:10 AM   #73
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yeah i dont think this counts shallowed. it's vinyl or nothing.

pls try again thank u.

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 10:41 AM   #74
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that was very well written and thoughtful +++

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:37 PM   #75
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Ordered day of release. It looks fucking amazing, not £450 amazing but all the same great artwork. Could have done without the shitty stylophone. I'm enjoying the hat.

I watched about an hour of the livestream baked other than that no idea if this is going to be listenable or not.

1A

Gristle. The vinyl looks like a slab of glass, nice crackle.
Bouncy squelch. Sounds alright, more tuneful than the Aegea recording, Selected Ambient Works II-esque.
Eastern feel creeps in. Drums shutter. Could be NIN. Stop.
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1B

Picks up where it left off and gets creepier. Hops and whitstles segue into an alarm.
Dentist drill. Becoming a difficult listen, I'm concerned what the neighbors think. Too much, had to turn down.
Speeds up, better, softer. Fades down and yelps take over.
Alien soundscape, more atmosphere, swarm of bees.
Oppressive gibber.
This is going to be more difficult than I thought.
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2A

More oscillation (if that's the right word)
Plinks and plonks
Here's a tip WPC: If you're going to release a reinterpretation of the book with noise and no narration, you might want to ******* the book in the package.
Fades.
Soft patter, slight echo, minimal.
Bleeps to the forefront, confused dance, mixed up thud underneath.
A machine still operating thru the night.
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2B

Snaffles and spits. Downward trend.
Slowing down.
Am I the first person to listen to this? Including its author.
Meanwhile back on the spaceship.
Burning engines distorted as fuck.
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3A

Crackle. Snap and pop have long since departed. Up and down steadily as an army of tiny ants plough underneath the grooves. Hark a warning sound, and then gone. Repeats. Crickets talk now below the buzzing flies. Shoo shoo the laser seems to say. Techno chops at the low end Turning Dragonesque. Pop's back, this time atop a subtle little thrill. Crackle pull a knife on pop, drags him under slowly like a Canadian octopus. Yes.
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3B

Charming nonsensical notes. There is a tune here but it has been mangled into mud. Very different to before, playful like ring a ring of roses. Clumsy feedback swells divert attention screaming beams of windy sound all around. Atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down.
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4A

Plinky plonk, space bound, no real purpose jus' moochin' round. Dark here now. More dentist chair antics on this Savage Planet. Won't somebody think about the Ohms! Clangers won't, too busy foraging for scrap to know what to do. Emergency emergency, just for a second and then back to the business; whatever that is. More techno! More dragon! A cheeky little surprise, held back for the reprise.
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4B

Fists full of synth. Smash. Fatlip. A train, a train, a train, a train, would you, could you, step away? The guard whistles, playing his tricks, stop starting the train with the peep of his lips. Incas appear, pan-pipe bombing the creaking metal tracks and that is that. We're all ears, if ears were echoes, ringing out and squaring a circle at the break of a new day. Ambient embrace, all over the place.
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5A

Tick tock bass motors around a cuckoo clock. Swiss made so the legend says. Show your inners. Show the working. The bird chirps. Cuckoo ups the pace and the wood is replaced. Metal now and modern too. More stabs. More beeps and creeps for you. A swell of sound, grey cloud droops over the fictional mountain and away to Baden-Württemberg. In the woods the birds are silent as something lurks wandering around, batteries low, powering down.
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5B

All the ghosts flail about. Looking for the nooks and searching for the cranny's. Like poached egg white. Swooshing around a pan. The electricity starts, tradition. Spectre's are hiding now the sweet sound scared 'em. The sound subsides and the lasers are back, searchlights all around a very old factory. It powers up with a din and a thud, it's purpose a bump in the night. Inside the machine springs bounce slowly but I don't know why. Like breathing but mechanical, up and down and up and down lungs fill and deflate, the spirits chatter, free now, as the sounds wind down before one last up up up and away.
Your review fucking sucks, Shallowed. Thanks to thomas_bland for doing this correctly

 
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Old 12-31-2019, 06:55 PM   #76
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Let's see your review

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 10:22 AM   #77
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Where are your reviews, voters?

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Old 01-01-2020, 11:31 AM   #79
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:10 PM   #80
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the voters were never required to review, douche bag

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 12:18 PM   #81
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Its "the voters where never required to review," diphthong.

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 02:17 PM   #82
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What’re you drunk? or did you just forgot English overnight

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:58 PM   #83
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:...Some people here were drunk enough to vote for the Jimmy Chamberlain Complex.

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:54 PM   #84
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you know those Brit folk love adding extra letters to everything

it may even be their favourite thing to do

 
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Old 01-01-2020, 08:09 PM   #85
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Parable is the only good album on the list. Great jazz album

 
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:...Some people here were drunk enough to vote for the Jimmy Chamberlain Complex.
Looks like Siddhartha didn't win the poll after all

 
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Parable is the only good album on the list. Great jazz album
not sure i agree w/ the first sentence but the second one yes

 
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But one of the best songs, he's ever done, released a year earlier, is not on The Parable...
Too eccentric for an otherwise more nostalgic jazz album?



 
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Looks like Siddhartha didn't win the poll after all
People voted most on an album that doesn't even exist...

 
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:27 AM   #90
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respect to you for the follow-through

 
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