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05-26-2020, 02:48 PM | #31 |
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Who could have guessed that our version of Hitler would turn out to be so eloquent
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05-27-2020, 12:17 PM | #32 | |
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When you feel the need to quote the full article.
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05-27-2020, 01:31 PM | #33 |
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Dangerous Idiot Elected Second Time
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05-27-2020, 03:36 PM | #34 |
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I'm just so tired of it all- the idiocy, the dread, the minutia. Everything sucks and will for quite a while.
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05-28-2020, 12:32 PM | #35 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ity-inequality
Cornel West, the Harvard philosopher, activist and writer, argues that you have to dig deeper to find the source of such disproportionate fatalities. “The virus encounters deeply racist structures and institutions already in place, against the backdrop of wealth inequality, a militarized state and a commodified culture in which everybody and everything is for sale,” he said. For West, the pandemic has revealed nothing less than the country’s demise. “America has become a failed social experiment, a decayed empire that is unable to meet the basic needs of its people.” |
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05-28-2020, 08:11 PM | #36 |
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I hope that the coming global dominance of China at least leads to better movies and music for our future generations.
Their equivalent to The X Factor and so on appear to have the contestants perform entire songs and not just slivers of them that sit neatly amongst self-promoting celebrity banter and a commercial advertising structure so that may actually bode well for us. |
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05-28-2020, 09:07 PM | #37 |
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people have been saying versions of this for hundreds of years. in some ways it has been true, but to call the richest country in the history of the world "decayed" isn't really accurate.
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05-28-2020, 09:17 PM | #38 |
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What other reasons might you give to counter this description beyond America's wealth by comparison to historically dominant economies and the fact that iterations of the phrase have been uttered previously?
I would have thought that one could use the term "decayed" to describe anything in decline. |
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05-28-2020, 09:27 PM | #39 | |
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This is not the richest country in the world. This country has a few of the richest people into the world. The "riches" don't trickle down. We don't even get healthcare or schools. Fuck off |
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05-28-2020, 09:32 PM | #40 |
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I'd sooner invite some sort of clarification than a fucking of the off, but the below represents how that exchange reads to my eyes.
CLAIM: As a society, America is in decline and people are falling through the cracks. COUNTERCLAIM: That's inaccurate because America still has the most money than anybody ever. |
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05-28-2020, 11:02 PM | #41 |
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sounds like we need to define some of these terms
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05-28-2020, 11:29 PM | #42 |
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05-28-2020, 11:36 PM | #43 | |
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It's the difference between intensive and extensive growth. |
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05-29-2020, 07:12 AM | #44 | ||
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And also I do not think we are in a period of decline/decay. Obviously Trump is bad news but if you're talking about "national decline" you need to take a historical perspective. If you name various social problems in the US--racism, health-care, poverty, whatever--things on most those fronts are getting better, not worse. One exception is income inequality, but that has ebbed and flowed pretty regularly through American history and we're at a high ebb right now--the tide will turn again. I think that the left will win elections when it tells a story of ascendance and progress (Obama, Biden) rather than decline and decay (Sanders). I'm not trying to argue that healthcare and poverty and racism etc are not huge problems--just that they're not as big of problems as they used to be, largely due to moderate democratic policies. What are your examples of arenas in which America is in "decline?" And it can't be things like climate change or pollution that are negatively effecting all countries. Quote:
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05-29-2020, 08:16 AM | #45 |
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if you need people on the internet to explain what is going wrong in this country right now you are part of the problem
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05-29-2020, 08:17 AM | #46 |
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05-29-2020, 08:28 AM | #47 |
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please tell me how racism, health-care, and poverty are worse now than they were in 1800, 1850, 1900, 1950, and 2000. again, i'll give you income inequality--that one is particularly bad right now and has been getting worse.
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05-29-2020, 09:01 AM | #48 |
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05-29-2020, 09:08 AM | #49 |
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ovary, please.
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05-29-2020, 09:50 AM | #50 |
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"Everything is awesome!" - Ovary
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05-29-2020, 11:18 AM | #51 | |
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While you'll acknowledge the "bad news" represented by Donald Trump from NBC's The Apprentice and his powerful grip upon the actual government of your country, I'm not really seeing where you've explained why four to eight years of that couldn't possibly be construed as any sort of a decline in the society most affected by it. It's also worth pointing out that we're having this conversation in: a) a thread about the pandemic the United States has put up an abysmal response to not befitting of a world leader; b) the lead up to an election characterized more by partisan divide than anything else; c) while the news talks of violent rioting sparked by police brutality that has killed yet another black man. In any case, the decline I'd more specifically been referring to in posts leading up to this one relates to global dominance and the rise of China but cheers for setting some convenient boundaries for my response that would prevent the same kind of comparison you had relied upon above with India. Has using words according to their dictionary definitions always been politically counterproductive in America, by the way? |
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05-29-2020, 11:37 AM | #52 |
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children in cages, black men killed every fucking week by the cops, a rampaging thug in the white house and this dipshit asks how we are in decline
EAT A DICK OVARY EAT A DICK |
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05-29-2020, 11:37 AM | #53 |
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Did I mention he can eat a dick?
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05-29-2020, 11:39 AM | #54 |
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He should really look into doing public relations work for the Maduro government, directing the voters' attention to how much harder life in Venezuela was at the dawn of civilization.
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05-29-2020, 12:17 PM | #55 |
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Ovary's favorite t shirt
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05-29-2020, 12:52 PM | #56 |
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Since when is arguing whether American is in decline or not equated with "Optimism! Everything is awesome! No problems here" ?
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05-29-2020, 01:10 PM | #57 |
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This argument seems to be more about semantics and lack of defined terms than actual disagreement tbh.
I don't think ovary is making the case at all that things aren't really fucked right now. My interpretation is that he's saying historically speaking, saying America is decaying or in decline at this current moment seems dubious when you consider this is a country founded on genocide, slavery, racial caste systems, colonialism and imperial wars, a country which had a civil war over the right of one human to own another, a great depression, etc etc etc etc. So what exactly are we "decaying" from? If anything what is happening right now seems more like a reversion to the mean. And I feel like the objections to this are actually more saying, "things are really bad right now so it's not right to point out that things have been really bad before." And then also digging into what "rich country" means, like does it mean a country with a lot of concentrated wealth or does it mean a country where wealth is used to take care of its citizens *shrug* I'm just not actually sure what everyone is arguing over |
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05-29-2020, 01:13 PM | #58 |
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is it ok to shoot K9 officers?
like you have a phat sack of some dank kushage in your sock. and there's a K9 coming straight at you and you just happen to have an elven crossbow. what do you do? |
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05-29-2020, 01:14 PM | #59 |
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Did the Elves have crossbows?
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05-29-2020, 01:19 PM | #60 |
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